ElkGroveDan
Jun 20 2006, 03:21 PM
QUOTE (Phil Stooke @ Jun 20 2006, 04:02 AM)
I use Photoshop for everything. I would wash my socks with it if I could.
I was recently rearranging furniture in my home with my wife and remarked that this would be much easier with Photoshop. I could paint the walls, remove spots from the carpet and make a duplicate armchair to match the one we already have.
Malmer
Jun 20 2006, 04:31 PM
QUOTE (ElkGroveDan @ Jun 20 2006, 05:21 PM)
I was recently rearranging furniture in my home with my wife and remarked that this would be much easier with Photoshop. I could paint the walls, remove spots from the carpet and make a duplicate armchair to match the one we already have.
then maybe this is a read for you...
http://www.wilmccarthy.com/HackingMatterMu...ediaEdition.pdfan online book about making programmable "atoms"...
/Mattias
Tesheiner
Jun 20 2006, 09:35 PM
Route map, updated to sol 855.
Click to view attachment
Shaka
Jun 20 2006, 09:53 PM
QUOTE (Tesheiner @ Jun 20 2006, 11:35 AM)
Route map, updated to sol 855.
http://qt.exploratorium.edu/mars/opportuni...4KP0695L0M1.JPGWoowee!
Goodby, Etches; Hello, Sand Sea!
If we are heading directly to Beagle, we'll be traversing a
long stretch of continuous ripples diagonal to our track. Everybody cross your fingers until further notice! (We'll make allowances for a few more typos.)
But it's nice to get back to the blue line!
Tesheiner
Jun 21 2006, 09:49 AM
Frankly, I no longer believe the rover will be able to stay on that line. I believed, since first draw that hypotetical path until some weeks ago, that the terrain could be smoother on this area, based on the orbital imagery. However, the "ground truth" says better stay on the ripple troughs, crossing them whenever possible.
MichaelT
Jun 21 2006, 12:11 PM
QUOTE (Phil Stooke @ Jun 20 2006, 12:02 PM)
I use Photoshop for everything. I would wash my socks with it if I could.
Phil
Me too
And thanks for the link!
Michael
Pavel
Jun 21 2006, 03:07 PM
QUOTE (Tesheiner @ Jun 21 2006, 05:49 AM)
Frankly, I no longer believe the rover will be able to stay on that line. I believed, since first draw that hypotetical path until some weeks ago, that the terrain could be smoother on this area, based on the orbital imagery. However, the "ground truth" says better stay on the ripple troughs, crossing them whenever possible.
Then it's likely that Oppy will go due south and then approach Beagle from the west. There are two smaller craters it will encounter near Beagle.
Marz
Jun 21 2006, 03:09 PM
QUOTE (Tesheiner @ Jun 21 2006, 04:49 AM)
Frankly, I no longer believe the rover will be able to stay on that line. I believed, since first draw that hypotetical path until some weeks ago, that the terrain could be smoother on this area, based on the orbital imagery. However, the "ground truth" says better stay on the ripple troughs, crossing them whenever possible.
Hopefully Oppy can continue to blaze ground like she has over the past week, despite the tricky driving.
It looks we're almost within 1 crater diameter of Victoria's closest rim! That sure amazes me at the size of the thing!
Tesheiner
Jun 21 2006, 03:46 PM
QUOTE (Pavel @ Jun 21 2006, 05:07 PM)
Then it's likely that Oppy will go due south and then approach Beagle from the west. There are two smaller craters it will encounter near Beagle.
That's what I think too. Something like this:
Click to view attachment
AndyG
Jun 22 2006, 09:07 AM
QUOTE (Pavel @ Jun 21 2006, 04:07 PM)
Then it's likely that Oppy will go due south and then approach Beagle from the west. There are two smaller craters it will encounter near Beagle.
True, but if you have to "cross the tracks" at some point, then wouldn't it be better to do it
now by heading east (over ripples we can already see) following the arc of outcrops to Oppy's left, before turning 90 degrees right once north of Beagle? That route would seem to minimize the rippled areas you'd need to cross, as it has more evaporite outcrops in it.
Andy G
Phil Stooke
Jun 22 2006, 09:48 AM
Phil reporting from Salisbury, UK: so I looked up vermilion in the dictionary and now I think I was right and Steve Squyres was wrong (or at least whoever wrote that previous link). So my spelling stays.
Phil
jvandriel
Jun 22 2006, 10:09 AM
Phil is right.
In Utah, between Zion National Park and Grand Staircase Escalante National Monument,
north of highway 89 are the VERMILION CLIFFS with 1L.
I was there in 2000 and have seen them. Great panorama.
See also Hallwag USA Road Guide no.6 Southwest.
jvandriel
ustrax
Jun 22 2006, 10:28 AM
QUOTE (Phil Stooke @ Jun 22 2006, 10:48 AM)
Phil reporting from Salisbury, UK
What about the solstice Phil? Is there a field report?
Around here was discovered some years ago the Solstice Stone in Tambores,
Vila Nova de Foz Côa:
Bill Harris
Jun 22 2006, 11:15 AM
Googling "vermilion" _vs_ "vermillion" cliffs gives 372,000 _vs_ 94,000 hits, respectively, so "vermilion" has the edge, although "vermillion" appears to be a common useage.
--Bill
kenny
Jun 22 2006, 01:00 PM
QUOTE (jvandriel @ Jun 22 2006, 11:09 AM)
Phil is right.
jvandriel
Phil is more right than wrong, but not absolutley right. Webster's (US) dictionary has one L as the main spelling and two LLs as an acceptable variant. English English dictionaries vary but seem to tend the same way. The word's origins are in the Middle English "vermelion", one L. Either is fine, and both are correct.
Linguistically onwards, Kenny
Tesheiner
Jun 23 2006, 08:17 AM
Route map, updated to sol 857.
Click to view attachmentA loooong drive this time (50+ meters), nice to see that. Because this new site has no significant features to correlate with the background map and the distance measurements based on parallax are not quite precise if you select dune features, I simply used the info from the pancam data tracking web to plot this new position: 6m eastwards and 52m southwards from sol 855's.
centsworth_II
Jun 23 2006, 04:44 PM
A notable milestone?
It looks like Opportunity is just now one VC diameter away from the near rim.
MizarKey
Jun 23 2006, 04:48 PM
Also to be celebrated, Oppy passed the 5 mile distance traveled mark back around Sol 850. Great job to the Rover team!!! Poor Spirit...no longer in the running.
BrianL
Jun 23 2006, 05:59 PM
QUOTE (MizarKey @ Jun 23 2006, 11:48 AM)
Also to be celebrated, Oppy passed the 5 mile distance traveled mark back around Sol 850. Great job to the Rover team!!! Poor Spirit...no longer in the running.
One short stroll for a man, one long journey for roverkind.
Brian
BrianL
Jun 23 2006, 06:11 PM
QUOTE (Tesheiner @ Jun 23 2006, 03:17 AM)
A loooong drive this time (50+ meters), nice to see that. Because this new site has no significant features to correlate with the background map and the distance measurements based on parallax are not quite precise if you select dune features, I simply used the info from the pancam data tracking web to plot this new position: 6m eastwards and 52m southwards from sol 855's.
4-5 more drives like that and we'll be out of the dunes ^h^h^h^h^h
ripples, and onto the Beagle Crater visitor parking lot.
Brian
dvandorn
Jun 23 2006, 06:14 PM
I'm just a little amused when I recall that, in less than nine total days on the lunar surface, the three Apollo lunar rovers traveled on the order of 50 km, total.
I know, I know -- the circumstances are entirely different. And you *do* get a more thorough investigation of the site when you stop every few meters than if you sprint for three or more km at a time. It's astounding and greatly appreciated, what these rovers can do.
I guess I'm just saying there's a long way to go... and I look forward to every step along the way.
-the other Doug
Sunspot
Jun 23 2006, 06:23 PM
Anyone think they'll have a press conference when they arrive at Victoria crater? Haven't had one for months.. maybe more than a year.
climber
Jun 23 2006, 06:37 PM
QUOTE (centsworth_II @ Jun 23 2006, 06:44 PM)
A notable milestone?
It looks like Opportunity is just now one VC diameter away from the near rim.
Which means 2 VC diameters away from the Beacon
jamescanvin
Jun 26 2006, 01:49 AM
Here's where I think we are on sol 860 - based on the tracking data, there aren't many 'islands' in sight to get a fix on at the moment.
James
RNeuhaus
Jun 27 2006, 04:25 AM
QUOTE (jamescanvin @ Jun 25 2006, 08:49 PM)
Here's where I think we are on sol 860 - based on the tracking data, there aren't many 'islands' in sight to get a fix on at the moment.
James
James,
I think that the sol 860 route is still 2 milimeters back (north) and one crest on the East. The hint is the next small outcrop is still south of Oppy. Also, the other hint, is the mini-meteorite crater on the second crest left of Oppy (somewhat blur at sol 858 and clear at sol 860).
http://qt.exploratorium.edu/mars/opportuni...CNP0705L0M1.JPGhttp://qt.exploratorium.edu/mars/opportuni...CNP0705L0M1.JPGClick to view attachmentRodolfo
Previous (858 sol), and present (sol860)
jamescanvin
Jun 27 2006, 05:42 AM
Yup - I agree with your position on the 857 image but converting that to a position on the route map is not so easy as neather of the features you mention can be seen - or have you spotted something I haven't?
Oersted
Jun 27 2006, 08:55 AM
The Oppy drivers are very intelligently not caring about dropping to the right of the beeline towards Beagle. They seem to only focus on the traversability of the immediate surroundings, and going for the easier road. That is the correct way of doing it, since the exposed bedrock around Beagle will make it quite easy to tack back towards the crater, when they get down in the vicinity of Beagle.
RNeuhaus
Jun 27 2006, 08:32 PM
Below is the guessed Oppy route toward BC for the sol 862 (right now).
Click to view attachmentTomorrow, we are going to know it.
CODE
862 p1131.04 2 0 2 0 0 4 f_haz_idd_mb_doc_512x512x1bpp_vhigh
862 p1151.04 2 0 0 2 0 4 front_hazcam_idd_unstow_doc
862 p1154.01 2 0 0 2 0 4 front_hazcam_idd_unstow_doc
862 p1205.07 2 0 0 2 0 4 front_haz_penultimate_0.5_bpp_pri36
862 p1211.03 2 0 0 2 0 4 ultimate_front_haz_1_bpp_pri_15
862 p1305.07 2 0 0 2 0 4 rear_haz_penultimate_0.5bpp_pri17
862 p1311.07 2 0 0 2 0 4 rear_haz_ultimate_1_bpp_crit15
862 p1982.04 10 0 0 10 0 20 navcam_5x1_az_180_custom <---
862 p2435.07 8 0 0 8 2 18 pancam_drive_direction_4cx1r_L2R2
862 p2600.09 2 2 0 0 2 6 pancam_tau
862 p2600.09 2 2 0 0 2 6 pancam_tau
862 Total 36 4 2 30 6 78
The suggested route would still be on southwards. For navigation purposes, Oppy will rely only on Navcam, since the Forward, Rear Hazard cameras have too low resolution to identify the grain. Spirit only uses them.
Rodolfo
jamescanvin
Jun 28 2006, 02:23 AM
Route map to sol 862.
Click to view attachment~25m, right onto the tiny outcrop seen in the 860 images.
jamescanvin
Jun 28 2006, 05:08 AM
I've been doing some more work on this and I think I can identify some features:
Click to view attachmentWhich changes the Sol 862 (and retrospectively Sol 860) positions quite a bit.
Click to view attachmentGood news is, this puts us a bit closer to Corner Crater than before
James
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EDIT: Replaced with another refinement.
If this new position is correct then I think the sol 857 position is probably a bit off (I think Tesheiner just took the tracking value for that one) there is no way the sol 860 drive was as long as it appears now.
Aberdeenastro
Jun 28 2006, 09:25 AM
Tesheiner,
Thanks for keeping us up-to-date with progress maps (and thanks to James for updating them in Tesheiner's absence).
You might have noticed that we are now in a position where we can shift the detailed map to include the north-western edge of Victoria Crater. It makes our destination feel that much closer now.
Castor
RNeuhaus
Jun 28 2006, 09:26 PM
QUOTE (jamescanvin @ Jun 28 2006, 12:08 AM)
I've been doing some more work on this and I think I can identify some features:
Click to view attachmentWhich changes the Sol 862 (and retrospectively Sol 860) positions quite a bit.
Click to view attachmentGood news is, this puts us a bit closer to Corner Crater than before
James
----
EDIT: Replaced with another refinement.
If this new position is correct then I think the sol 857 position is probably a bit off (I think Tesheiner just took the tracking value for that one) there is no way the sol 860 drive was as long as it appears now.
Good pinpointing. Now the route sol 862 map is Ok!
Rodolfo
dot.dk
Jun 28 2006, 09:38 PM
Just measured the remaining distance to Victoria. 770 m as the (big winged) crow flies
That's about the distance from Eagle Crater to Endurance.
Bill Harris
Jun 28 2006, 09:47 PM
Wow. A couple of years ago that distance was a giant leap that took us past the 90 day design life of the Rovers. Today that is virtually a short stroll to see what is over the next hill.
--Bill
RNeuhaus
Jun 28 2006, 10:25 PM
Rear picture
http://marsrovers.jpl.nasa.gov/gallery/all...JP1205L0M1.HTMLFront picture
http://marsrovers.jpl.nasa.gov/gallery/all...IEP1211L0M1.JPGOppy stopping site at sol 682
Click to view attachmentThe guess sol 684 route, there are 3 possibilities:
Click to view attachmentThe sol 683 won't be a driving day but just doing many pancam pictures.
CODE
863 p2102.13 0 0 0 0 0 0 pancam_isc_voc_cal_L267
863 p2104.10 0 0 0 0 0 0 pancam_mtes_cal_target_L267
863 p2600.09 0 0 0 0 0 0 pancam_tau
863 p2631.01 0 0 0 0 0 0 pancam_sky_spot_L234567R34567
863 Total 0 0 0 0 0 0
The sol 684 will be a long drive, I think it so since there are many front and rear haz camera. The new route seems to be around 162 degree (South East):
CODE
864 p0695.03 0 0 0 0 0 0 navcam_5x1_az_162_3_bpp
864 p0695.03 0 0 0 0 0 0 navcam_5x1_az_162_3_bpp
864 p0695.03 0 0 0 0 0 0 navcam_5x1_az_162_3_bpp
864 p1151.04 0 0 0 0 0 0 front_hazcam_idd_unstow_doc
864 p1151.04 0 0 0 0 0 0 front_hazcam_idd_unstow_doc
864 p1151.04 0 0 0 0 0 0 front_hazcam_idd_unstow_doc
864 p1205.08 0 0 0 0 0 0 front_haz_penultimate_0.5_bpp_pri17
864 p1205.08 0 0 0 0 0 0 front_haz_penultimate_0.5_bpp_pri17
864 p1205.07 0 0 0 0 0 0 front_haz_penultimate_0.5_bpp_pri36
864 p1211.03 0 0 0 0 0 0 ultimate_front_haz_1_bpp_pri_15
864 p1211.03 0 0 0 0 0 0 ultimate_front_haz_1_bpp_pri_15
864 p1211.03 0 0 0 0 0 0 ultimate_front_haz_1_bpp_pri_15
864 p1275.01 0 0 0 0 0 0 front_hazcam_0.5bpp_pri_41
864 p1275.01 0 0 0 0 0 0 front_hazcam_0.5bpp_pri_41
864 p1275.01 0 0 0 0 0 0 front_hazcam_0.5bpp_pri_41
864 p1275.01 0 0 0 0 0 0 front_hazcam_0.5bpp_pri_41
864 p1275.01 0 0 0 0 0 0 front_hazcam_0.5bpp_pri_41
864 p1275.01 0 0 0 0 0 0 front_hazcam_0.5bpp_pri_41
864 p1275.01 0 0 0 0 0 0 front_hazcam_0.5bpp_pri_41
864 p1275.01 0 0 0 0 0 0 front_hazcam_0.5bpp_pri_41
864 p1275.01 0 0 0 0 0 0 front_hazcam_0.5bpp_pri_41
864 p1305.07 0 0 0 0 0 0 rear_haz_penultimate_0.5bpp_pri17
864 p1305.07 0 0 0 0 0 0 rear_haz_penultimate_0.5bpp_pri17
864 p1305.07 0 0 0 0 0 0 rear_haz_penultimate_0.5bpp_pri17
864 p1311.07 0 0 0 0 0 0 rear_haz_ultimate_1_bpp_crit15
864 p1311.07 0 0 0 0 0 0 rear_haz_ultimate_1_bpp_crit15
864 p1311.07 0 0 0 0 0 0 rear_haz_ultimate_1_bpp_crit15
864 p1375.01 0 0 0 0 0 0 rear_hazcam_0.5bpp_pri_41
864 p1375.01 0 0 0 0 0 0 rear_hazcam_0.5bpp_pri_41
864 p1375.01 0 0 0 0 0 0 rear_hazcam_0.5bpp_pri_41
864 p1375.01 0 0 0 0 0 0 rear_hazcam_0.5bpp_pri_41
864 p1375.01 0 0 0 0 0 0 rear_hazcam_0.5bpp_pri_41
864 p1375.01 0 0 0 0 0 0 rear_hazcam_0.5bpp_pri_41
864 p1375.01 0 0 0 0 0 0 rear_hazcam_0.5bpp_pri_41
864 p1375.01 0 0 0 0 0 0 rear_hazcam_0.5bpp_pri_41
864 p1375.01 0 0 0 0 0 0 rear_hazcam_0.5bpp_pri_41
864 p1795.01 0 0 0 0 0 0 navcam_5x1_az_342_1_bpp
864 p1795.01 0 0 0 0 0 0 navcam_5x1_az_342_1_bpp
864 p1795.01 0 0 0 0 0 0 navcam_5x1_az_342_1_bpp
864 Total 0 0 0 0 0 0
Rodolfo
Shaka
Jun 28 2006, 11:01 PM
QUOTE (RNeuhaus @ Jun 28 2006, 12:25 PM)
The guess sol 684 route, there are 3 possibilities:
CODE
864 Total 0 0 0 0 0 0
Rodolfo
Great work, as always, Rod, but you need to rest your eyes. Take a coffee break. 684 ain't 864.
jamescanvin
Jun 29 2006, 12:52 AM
QUOTE (RNeuhaus @ Jun 29 2006, 08:25 AM)
The guess sol 684 route, there are 3 possibilities:
I would be almost certain that the next waypoint will be that outcrop directly south - we should make it on the next drive or the one after.
QUOTE (RNeuhaus @ Jun 29 2006, 08:25 AM)
The sol 684 will be a long drive, I think it so since there are many front and rear haz camera. The new route seems to be around 162 degree (South East):
Note that every entry appears three times in this list so it's not as many as it appears. I don't agree that the number of hazcam shots programmed has any relevence to the drive distance - all the driving images (autonav/slip detection) that may indicate distance are commanded by the fight software and don't appear on the tracking database beforehand.
About the 162 degrees - that is the pointing direction of the centre image in the 5 frame navcam pan taken *after* the drive I don't think it tells us anything about the upcoming drive direction. It *may* indicate the general dirction of the drive after the upcoming one - and indeed, it is pointed toward Beagle
.
Tesheiner
Jun 29 2006, 08:54 AM
I'm back to "business" but still in recovery-mode trying to sync myself with all that happened during this week.
Nice to see we are steadily approaching BC.
QUOTE (jamescanvin @ Jun 28 2006, 07:08 AM)
If this new position is correct then I think the sol 857 position is probably a bit off (I think Tesheiner just took the tracking value for that one) there is no way the sol 860 drive was as long as it appears now.
Think so. In fact I just picked the data from the tracking web (there were no close features/outcrops to refine the positioning) and that could be a bit short because there was a new site defined at end-of-drive, resetting all distance parameters.
And many thanks to keep the route map updated, James.
QUOTE (Castor @ Jun 28 2006, 11:25 AM)
You might have noticed that we are now in a position where we can shift the detailed map to include the north-western edge of Victoria Crater. It makes our destination feel that much closer now.
Yup. I'll do that this weekend.
jamescanvin
Jun 30 2006, 04:22 AM
Sol 864 tracking data is up - looks like a ~42m drive - waiting for images...
--
Hmm, doesn't look like we've had any images in over 24 hours - I hope Exploratorium isn't down again.
Here is the position for 864 from just the tracking data then.
Click to view attachment(I thought I'd take this one while Tesh gets back up to speed.)
James
Sunspot
Jun 30 2006, 10:16 AM
Yep, looks like the exploratorium is down.
djellison
Jun 30 2006, 10:40 AM
Panic not - there is progress
climber
Jun 30 2006, 10:47 AM
And we're not lost! The long and thin outcrop in front of us on Doug's pan is clearly visible on the MGS map.
Bill Harris
Jun 30 2006, 12:36 PM
And between that next outcrop area and Beagle is a large dark cobble area, which would be a good spot to visit and look around. The sand looks a bit fluffy south of that light outcrop so Oppy may need a slight detour.
Ever closer!
--Bill
ustrax
Jun 30 2006, 01:04 PM
Here's my take on Oppy's arrival at Beagle, more than obviously influenced by my bet...
http://i16.photobucket.com/albums/b14/ustr...aglearrival.jpg
Toma B
Jun 30 2006, 04:02 PM
I can hardly wait for Tesheiner to make one last "white square" move on his Route Map...
It's so un-cool for exploratorium to "be Down" during these approach drive days...
RNeuhaus
Jun 30 2006, 04:34 PM
QUOTE (Bill Harris @ Jun 30 2006, 07:36 AM)
And between that next outcrop area and Beagle is a large dark cobble area, which would be a good spot to visit and look around. The sand looks a bit fluffy south of that light outcrop so Oppy may need a slight detour.
Ever closer!
--Bill
Bill, I cannot see a loose sand by viewing the MOC pictures. How do you spot it? By the light albedo of surface at south soon after next small outcrop?
Rodolfo
Toma B
Jun 30 2006, 04:52 PM
Shaka
Jun 30 2006, 06:51 PM
Oooohh, yeah BABY!
It's
3D Time! Who's doing the anaglyph or X-eyed pair?
mhoward
Jun 30 2006, 07:12 PM
QUOTE (Shaka @ Jun 30 2006, 06:51 PM)
Oooohh, yeah BABY!
It's
3D Time! Who's doing the anaglyph or X-eyed pair?
, for starters, although in a different thread.
climber
Jun 30 2006, 07:48 PM
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QUOTE(Toma B @ Jun 30 2006, 06:52 PM)
EXPLORATORIUM IS BACK UP!!!!!WOW!!!! Best wiev of Beagle Crater so far!!!
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And we can see A LOT of stuffs all along the horizon
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