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xflare
QUOTE (MahFL @ Nov 12 2014, 03:28 PM) *
The cold gas thruster is not working, the pin puncturing the gas bottle failed 4 times, so the gas thruster cannot be used.


Has the thruster actually been disabled though? I think there was a tiny chance it might have been a pressure sensor fault?
fredk
According to Emily, they'll still try the thruster. Some believe it is the pressure sensor that failed.

They tried two pins, twice each.
MahFL
Both harpoons will be fired on touchdown.
Norm Hartnett
Audio was just cut. Comments from the flight controller lead me to believe they lost all signals. Hopefully I'm dead wrong.
Gerald
QUOTE (centsworth_II @ Nov 12 2014, 05:32 PM) *
... I'm not clear on if both will be used or if one is a backup in case the first fails...

Betwee the lines, I hear, that it's both harpoons, which will be fired.
MahFL
QUOTE (Norm Hartnett @ Nov 12 2014, 03:44 PM) *
Audio was just cut. Comments from the flight controller lead me to believe they lost all signals. Hopefully I'm dead wrong.


According to the DSN page, Rosetta is not transmitting right now.
Gerald
Loss of signal before the landing has been planned, as far as I remember.
xflare
QUOTE (MahFL @ Nov 12 2014, 03:47 PM) *
According to the DSN page, Rosetta is not transmitting right now.


eeeeek
Norm Hartnett
QUOTE (xflare @ Nov 12 2014, 07:49 AM) *
eeeeek

That could be a good thing, at least for the lander. If the orbiter has lost tracking or reset then there is hope for both spacecraft.

I've lost the webcast too. Just to make things more interesting.
Norm Hartnett
Web is back and folks are looking a lot happier.

Edit: DSN problem?

Edit: Clearly they have telemetry back.
Gerald
sounds like td
Bjorn Jonsson
LANDING!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Harder
YES!!!!!!!!!!!!
Norm Hartnett
YAY!!!!

wow, the story behind all that is going to be good.
MahFL
ESA blog went down for me and spaceflightnow sad.gif. It's definitely landed ?
Norm Hartnett
Confirmed on the surface and has telemetry, harpoons rewound. legs compressed!
Bjorn Jonsson
QUOTE (MahFL @ Nov 12 2014, 04:09 PM) *
ESA blog went down for me and spaceflightnow sad.gif. It's definitely landed ?


Yes, if lots of websites crash that probably means success ;-)

Harder
yes, firmly anchored with the harpoons!
Gerald
"You all heard, that Philae has landed".
sounds official smile.gif smile.gif
MahFL
Now I believe it, from the BBC :

"Shortly after the touchdown was confirmed, Stephan Ulamec, the mission's lander chief, said: "Philae is talking to us... we are on the comet."
Norm Hartnett
Currently lots of politicians yacking, mostly to each other. Hopefully we will get back to the folks doing the work soon.

Edit: According to the schedule the first panorama is being taken and transmitted.
Harder
VikingMars,
do I hear Mr Le Gall making his speech from Cite des Sciences? Pls. yr summary in English!
Mercure
Congratulations to ESA from a proud European!

https://mobile.twitter.com/philae2014

"Touchdown! - My new address: 67P"
SpaceListener
Deep Space Network from Madrid is currently receiving signals from Rosetta
Fran Ontanaya
I'm impressed by how many people has felt enganged with this mission. 500,000 just on the live stream. It's a huge success for ESA.
CosmosMarvel
Apparently from the stream, they're experiencing difficulties deploying the anchors.
fredk
From the ESA livestream: Anchors didn't fire, thruster didn't fire. They're not sure they're stable on the surface...
Harder
scratch "firmly anchored with harpoons"! Latest is that the harpoons apparently did not fire, but science sequence ongoing.
MarkG
There are also screws, did they deploy?
Gerald
They're going to think about a second try to shoot the harpoons.
MahFL
QUOTE (Gerald @ Nov 12 2014, 04:45 PM) *
They're going to think about a second try to shoot the harpoons.


Oh no....... ohmy.gif
Harder
Yesterday, after the problems with the cold gas thruster became apparent, Fred Jansen mentioned that "if the surface is what we think it is the ice-screws alone will do the job". He may well be proven right in the coming hours!
brellis
Sounds like its time to get some science done just in case Philae starts floating away?
xflare
If the harpoons and thruster didnt fire - it makes Philae's survival even more extraordinary!!
Gerald
Sounded as if Philae took an image 15s after landing, to be processed.
The message came seconds before the cut, so I'm not quite sure, whether I understood it correctly.

Science should have been started in an automated way seconds after landing.
mcgyver
The guy talked about "anchors": did he mean "harpoons" or "foot screws"??
How could harpoons be ever shot NOW? They have a 324 km/h exit speed!
fredk
QUOTE (Gerald @ Nov 12 2014, 05:45 PM) *
They're going to think about a second try to shoot the harpoons.

Where did you hear this - was it the ESA livestream?
mcgyver
QUOTE (fredk @ Nov 12 2014, 05:59 PM) *
Where did you hear this - was it the ESA livestream?

22:08:00 of live streaming here:
http://rosetta.esa.int/

But he talks of ANCHORS; not HARPOONS.
Gerald
I've been listening to two lifestreams in two different languages at the same time, but I think it has been the Rosetta #CometLanding webcast about a minute before the end of the transmission.
xflare
Its confirmed now, harpoons did not fire.

each new tweet makes me more nervous again LOL
MarkG
The ice screws may hold it for now, but maybe not whne the comet gets more active.

Mercure
Twitter: "I'm on the surface but my harpoons did not fire. My team is hard at work now trying to determine why."
Harder
for the drilling operation (thankfully not part of the automated first cycle) the lander also needs to be secured. Same for the MUPUS hammering sensor I guess.
MahFL
I can't believe the harpoons did not fire sad.gif
Tom Tamlyn
Emily's blog at the Planetary Society has crashed, or something. Two posts from earlier this week are missing, and there's nothing from today (apart from her twitter feed). Probably another instance of great excitement -> overload.

TTT
Gerald
QUOTE (fredk @ Nov 12 2014, 06:59 PM) *
Where did you hear this - was it the ESA livestream?

This tweet should be clearer:
Click to view attachment

fredk
Via BBC (sorry, I can't find a more direct reference):
QUOTE
Posted on 17:25

Emily also reports that Mark McCaughrean, Esa's senior science adviser, has confirmed the lander's screws - if not its harpoons - have dug into the comet's surface.
Art Martin
Are there fail-safes designed into the harpoon firing such as amount of tilt or an interlock with the cold gas thrusters? One would think that in an extremely low gravity situation, that amount of force being applied downward without something else to balance it out (such as the thrusters) could actually launch the lander back up. Let's say the lander was perched on a rock and badly tilted. Is firing a harpoon a good idea at a 45 degree angle to the main surface? I'd think the odds of two failures of systems at once (the thrusters and the harpoon firing) would be very low unless they shared some common circuit.
MahFL
Data from Rosetta is still coming down.
Roby72
the data stream should end about 19hUT acc.:
http://download.esa.int/esoc/shares/1/esa_...web08112014.pdf

pics should be presented soon around 18h30UT !

amazing mission !

Robert
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