xflare
Nov 12 2014, 03:33 PM
QUOTE (MahFL @ Nov 12 2014, 03:28 PM)
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The cold gas thruster is not working, the pin puncturing the gas bottle failed 4 times, so the gas thruster cannot be used.
Has the thruster actually been disabled though? I think there was a tiny chance it might have been a pressure sensor fault?
fredk
Nov 12 2014, 03:36 PM
According to Emily, they'll still try the thruster. Some believe it is the pressure sensor that failed.
They tried two pins, twice each.
MahFL
Nov 12 2014, 03:43 PM
Both harpoons will be fired on touchdown.
Norm Hartnett
Nov 12 2014, 03:44 PM
Audio was just cut. Comments from the flight controller lead me to believe they lost all signals. Hopefully I'm dead wrong.
Gerald
Nov 12 2014, 03:46 PM
QUOTE (centsworth_II @ Nov 12 2014, 05:32 PM)
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... I'm not clear on if both will be used or if one is a backup in case the first fails...
Betwee the lines, I hear, that it's both harpoons, which will be fired.
MahFL
Nov 12 2014, 03:47 PM
QUOTE (Norm Hartnett @ Nov 12 2014, 03:44 PM)
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Audio was just cut. Comments from the flight controller lead me to believe they lost all signals. Hopefully I'm dead wrong.
According to the DSN page, Rosetta is not transmitting right now.
Gerald
Nov 12 2014, 03:48 PM
Loss of signal before the landing has been planned, as far as I remember.
xflare
Nov 12 2014, 03:49 PM
QUOTE (MahFL @ Nov 12 2014, 03:47 PM)
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According to the DSN page, Rosetta is not transmitting right now.
eeeeek
Norm Hartnett
Nov 12 2014, 03:51 PM
QUOTE (xflare @ Nov 12 2014, 07:49 AM)
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eeeeek
That could be a good thing, at least for the lander. If the orbiter has lost tracking or reset then there is hope for both spacecraft.
I've lost the webcast too. Just to make things more interesting.
Norm Hartnett
Nov 12 2014, 03:54 PM
Web is back and folks are looking a lot happier.
Edit: DSN problem?
Edit: Clearly they have telemetry back.
Gerald
Nov 12 2014, 04:04 PM
sounds like td
Bjorn Jonsson
Nov 12 2014, 04:04 PM
LANDING!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Harder
Nov 12 2014, 04:04 PM
YES!!!!!!!!!!!!
Norm Hartnett
Nov 12 2014, 04:04 PM
YAY!!!!
wow, the story behind all that is going to be good.
MahFL
Nov 12 2014, 04:09 PM
ESA blog went down for me and spaceflightnow
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. It's definitely landed ?
Norm Hartnett
Nov 12 2014, 04:10 PM
Confirmed on the surface and has telemetry, harpoons rewound. legs compressed!
Bjorn Jonsson
Nov 12 2014, 04:10 PM
QUOTE (MahFL @ Nov 12 2014, 04:09 PM)
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ESA blog went down for me and spaceflightnow
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. It's definitely landed ?
Yes, if lots of websites crash that probably means success ;-)
Harder
Nov 12 2014, 04:10 PM
yes, firmly anchored with the harpoons!
Gerald
Nov 12 2014, 04:12 PM
"You all heard, that Philae has landed".
sounds official
MahFL
Nov 12 2014, 04:17 PM
Now I believe it, from the BBC :
"Shortly after the touchdown was confirmed, Stephan Ulamec, the mission's lander chief, said: "Philae is talking to us... we are on the comet."
Norm Hartnett
Nov 12 2014, 04:18 PM
Currently lots of politicians yacking, mostly to each other. Hopefully we will get back to the folks doing the work soon.
Edit: According to the schedule the first panorama is being taken and transmitted.
Harder
Nov 12 2014, 04:28 PM
VikingMars,
do I hear Mr Le Gall making his speech from Cite des Sciences? Pls. yr summary in English!
Mercure
Nov 12 2014, 04:32 PM
Congratulations to ESA from a proud European!
https://mobile.twitter.com/philae2014"Touchdown! - My new address: 67P"
SpaceListener
Nov 12 2014, 04:38 PM
Deep Space Network from Madrid is currently receiving signals from Rosetta
Fran Ontanaya
Nov 12 2014, 04:41 PM
I'm impressed by how many people has felt enganged with this mission. 500,000 just on the live stream. It's a huge success for ESA.
CosmosMarvel
Nov 12 2014, 04:43 PM
Apparently from the stream, they're experiencing difficulties deploying the anchors.
fredk
Nov 12 2014, 04:43 PM
From the ESA livestream: Anchors didn't fire, thruster didn't fire. They're not sure they're stable on the surface...
Harder
Nov 12 2014, 04:44 PM
scratch "firmly anchored with harpoons"! Latest is that the harpoons apparently did not fire, but science sequence ongoing.
MarkG
Nov 12 2014, 04:45 PM
There are also screws, did they deploy?
Gerald
Nov 12 2014, 04:45 PM
They're going to think about a second try to shoot the harpoons.
MahFL
Nov 12 2014, 04:48 PM
QUOTE (Gerald @ Nov 12 2014, 04:45 PM)
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They're going to think about a second try to shoot the harpoons.
Oh no.......
Harder
Nov 12 2014, 04:49 PM
Yesterday, after the problems with the cold gas thruster became apparent, Fred Jansen mentioned that "if the surface is what we think it is the ice-screws alone will do the job". He may well be proven right in the coming hours!
brellis
Nov 12 2014, 04:51 PM
Sounds like its time to get some science done just in case Philae starts floating away?
xflare
Nov 12 2014, 04:54 PM
If the harpoons and thruster didnt fire - it makes Philae's survival even more extraordinary!!
Gerald
Nov 12 2014, 04:54 PM
Sounded as if Philae took an image 15s after landing, to be processed.
The message came seconds before the cut, so I'm not quite sure, whether I understood it correctly.
Science should have been started in an automated way seconds after landing.
mcgyver
Nov 12 2014, 04:56 PM
The guy talked about "anchors": did he mean "harpoons" or "foot screws"??
How could harpoons be ever shot NOW? They have a 324 km/h exit speed!
fredk
Nov 12 2014, 04:59 PM
QUOTE (Gerald @ Nov 12 2014, 05:45 PM)
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They're going to think about a second try to shoot the harpoons.
Where did you hear this - was it the ESA livestream?
mcgyver
Nov 12 2014, 05:04 PM
QUOTE (fredk @ Nov 12 2014, 05:59 PM)
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Where did you hear this - was it the ESA livestream?
22:08:00 of live streaming here:
http://rosetta.esa.int/But he talks of ANCHORS; not HARPOONS.
Gerald
Nov 12 2014, 05:06 PM
I've been listening to two lifestreams in two different languages at the same time, but I think it has been the
Rosetta #CometLanding webcast about a minute before the end of the transmission.
xflare
Nov 12 2014, 05:06 PM
Its confirmed now, harpoons did not fire.
each new tweet makes me more nervous again LOL
MarkG
Nov 12 2014, 05:07 PM
The ice screws may hold it for now, but maybe not whne the comet gets more active.
Mercure
Nov 12 2014, 05:08 PM
Twitter: "I'm on the surface but my harpoons did not fire. My team is hard at work now trying to determine why."
Harder
Nov 12 2014, 05:12 PM
for the drilling operation (thankfully not part of the automated first cycle) the lander also needs to be secured. Same for the MUPUS hammering sensor I guess.
MahFL
Nov 12 2014, 05:32 PM
I can't believe the harpoons did not fire
Tom Tamlyn
Nov 12 2014, 05:32 PM
Emily's blog at the Planetary Society has crashed, or something. Two posts from earlier this week are missing, and there's nothing from today (apart from her twitter feed). Probably another instance of great excitement -> overload.
TTT
Gerald
Nov 12 2014, 05:32 PM
QUOTE (fredk @ Nov 12 2014, 06:59 PM)
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Where did you hear this - was it the ESA livestream?
This tweet should be clearer:
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fredk
Nov 12 2014, 05:35 PM
Via
BBC (sorry, I can't find a more direct reference):
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Posted on 17:25
Emily also reports that Mark McCaughrean, Esa's senior science adviser, has confirmed the lander's screws - if not its harpoons - have dug into the comet's surface.
Art Martin
Nov 12 2014, 05:40 PM
Are there fail-safes designed into the harpoon firing such as amount of tilt or an interlock with the cold gas thrusters? One would think that in an extremely low gravity situation, that amount of force being applied downward without something else to balance it out (such as the thrusters) could actually launch the lander back up. Let's say the lander was perched on a rock and badly tilted. Is firing a harpoon a good idea at a 45 degree angle to the main surface? I'd think the odds of two failures of systems at once (the thrusters and the harpoon firing) would be very low unless they shared some common circuit.
MahFL
Nov 12 2014, 05:42 PM
Data from Rosetta is still coming down.
Roby72
Nov 12 2014, 05:47 PM
the data stream should end about 19hUT acc.:
http://download.esa.int/esoc/shares/1/esa_...web08112014.pdfpics should be presented soon around 18h30UT !
amazing mission !
Robert
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