Bill Harris
Apr 4 2006, 09:03 AM
This is truly a wonderful image. I think what we're seeing may be a snapshot in the development of an "anatolia feature". Near the Erebus Highway we did observe a surface expression of a fracture in the dune sand, although it was more muted in appearance.
I'll note that it has been a long while since we've seen an "anatolia feature" as such. We saw the type features between Eagle and Endurance craters early on, but they don't seem to be present since we have gotten to this ripple area to the south of the landing site. The sand is clearly thicker in this southern area, but I wonder if there is not also change in the bedrock and if the anatolia troughs and this fracture feature (and possibly the mini-craters) are related.
Keep on the lookout for more...
--Bill
jvandriel
Apr 4 2006, 11:27 AM
Opportunity looking out over the plain of Meridiani.
Mosaic taken on Sol 778 with the L0 navcam.
jvandriel
jvandriel
Apr 4 2006, 01:30 PM
Opportunity looking back at the wheeltracks on Sol 778.
Mosaic taken with the L0 navcam.
jvandriel
jvandriel
Apr 4 2006, 01:48 PM
Here is the navcam view from Sol 778 into the drive direction.
Taken with the L0 navcam.
jvandriel
Here is the pancam view in the same direction.
Taken on Sol 778 with the L2 pancam.
jvandriel
lyford
Apr 4 2006, 03:02 PM
QUOTE (jvandriel @ Apr 4 2006, 05:30 AM)
Opportunity looking back at the wheeltracks on Sol 778. jvandriel
Thank you,
jvandriel! I am so happy to see the nice long runs again, with geometric crisp tracks receding into the distance. Unlike tracks that seem to violate pristine wilderness, these evoke tranquility. Almost like clean rake lines in a
Zen garden.... beautiful!
And yet they stake a claim on the landscape - give a sense of
"here" to it that only human touch can give to a place.
Sorry to wax poetical, but I am starting to believe we will make it to Victoria and I am getting a little emotional.
RNeuhaus
Apr 4 2006, 03:18 PM
QUOTE (atomoid @ Apr 3 2006, 07:09 PM)
more interesting stuff along the way...
Now whats the story with the
strange stained-on stripe running over the dune, right next to a bunch of cracks. at the top of the dune you can see how the slope changes right at the intersection of the stripe! It almost looks like a bad pano stitch exposure artifact, whats funny is that it has smoothed out some features that continue outside of the stripe!
the discoloration might be related to... (baffled!)
The bunch of cracks might be of recent time since that zone has aeolian erosion which might cover up any cracks in few tenths years....That leads to me that these cracks might be of small Mars seismic results.
Rodolfo
QUOTE (jvandriel @ Apr 4 2006, 08:30 AM)
Opportunity looking back at the wheeltracks on Sol 778.
Mosaic taken with the L0 navcam.
jvandriel
Thanks jvandriel, your pictures are the ones that keep the USMF alive. How dusty is the land, see how the marks of the wheels that are very neatly drawn.
Rodolfo
Phil Stooke
Apr 4 2006, 03:35 PM
Here are two polar versions of jvandriel's latest half-pan of the southward view.
Phil
Click to view attachmentClick to view attachment
Bobby
Apr 4 2006, 05:53 PM
Burmese
Apr 4 2006, 06:11 PM
Yeah, and this time she also flexed her wrist:
http://qt.exploratorium.edu/mars/opportuni...QEP1151R0M1.JPGIt looks like they wholly crossed that bald patch, ending up on the SE corner - probably hoping for a chute a bit east of the one they had been in. Perhaps the goal is to simply 'drift' east w/o actually making a turn and crossing multiple dunes in a day.
stevo
Apr 4 2006, 06:18 PM
QUOTE (jvandriel @ Apr 4 2006, 08:48 AM)
Here is the navcam view from Sol 778 into the drive direction.
Taken with the L0 navcam.
jvandriel
Here is the pancam view in the same direction.
Taken on Sol 778 with the L2 pancam.
jvandriel
There appears to be a pile of black grit in the upper left quadrant on the right (pancam?) image. I know we've seen these before, but was there any resolution on what they actually are ? Some rock that just disintegrated and fell apart where it was ?
Steve
Bobby
Apr 4 2006, 06:49 PM
Nirgal
Apr 4 2006, 06:58 PM
looking good
is it just me, or does the terrain to the south look more and more "driving-friendly" with the drifts less high and increasingly more bedrock pavement ?
RNeuhaus
Apr 4 2006, 07:02 PM
Oppy is amazing clean, watch on the surfaces that are still gleamming.
Rodolfo
atomoid
Apr 4 2006, 07:11 PM
un needed quote removed - dougMore odd stuff goings on, right to the left almost
hidden behind the rover's mast is more disturbed soil, but this is dsturbed in a smooth arc as if someone had raked it aside with the backof their hand. must be another crack draining sand. these features look so fresh in relation to the rest of the landscape...
mhoward
Apr 6 2006, 02:14 AM
Sol 781 drive direction view:
Also I've been updating the
Voyage South slideshow as we go.
RNeuhaus
Apr 6 2006, 02:39 AM
Mhoward, very good slides
which has permited me to see clearly about the progress of transverse. Recently Oppy is traveling in straight line among small dunes. No stopping but just keeping in going. The landscape is monotonous just until now.
Rodolfo
mhoward
Apr 6 2006, 03:34 AM
I don't usually do this, but here is the full-size Autostitched Pancam drive-direction mosaic from Sol 781 (de-vignetting by MMB):
I don't usually post anaglyphs either (because I think people usually just complain about them, at least mine
), but the whole reason I broke out Autostitch tonight was to see the anaglyph version. I think it's interesting:
jvandriel
Apr 6 2006, 10:19 AM
The last images are down and here is the complete 360 degree pancam panoramic view.
Taken on Sol 774 with the L1 pancam.
jvandriel
Pertinax
Apr 6 2006, 12:36 PM
As a small diversion....
I was looking at the MMB Oppy sol774 L1 pan this morning, straining to see anything interesting beyond the sea of sand sastrugi and sulfate seaweed, and noticed two features on the horizon.
1) At ~101.21 deg (~1.2 deg in width), there is an interesting, seemingly distant, pair of humps. A distant crater, nothing obvious to the east in our route tracking maps.
Link - 12) At ~004.75 deg (~1.3 deg in width), there is an interesting, again seemingly distant, dark stripe on the horizon. It seemed a bit small for Erebus, but also (though in about the right direction I think) a bit large for Endurance.
Link - 2Any thoughts?
-- Pertinax
abalone
Apr 6 2006, 12:49 PM
QUOTE (mhoward @ Apr 6 2006, 01:34 PM)
I don't usually post anaglyphs either (because I think people usually just complain about them, at least mine
), but the whole reason I broke out Autostitch tonight was to see the anaglyph version. I think it's interesting:
Keep em comin' I just love to stare at them. Once you have trained your eyes its like standing there yourself
djellison
Apr 6 2006, 12:50 PM
that little double peak is an interesting one...
I've phil-o-visioned it to verify that it is indeed, quite distant (beyond the local topography)
so - refering to the very large 10m res ellipse map..
http://www.msss.com/mars_images/moc/2004/0...Ellipse_10m.gifNothing immediately jumps out really.
The northern feature is certainly beyond Erebus, and could potentially be Endurance.
Doug
Bob Shaw
Apr 6 2006, 12:52 PM
Doug:
Hmm... ...desert, two humps, in the distance, not on the orbital maps...
...you don't suppose...
Bob Shaw
djellison
Apr 6 2006, 12:53 PM
Ships of the desert Bob, ships of the desert
Doug
FIN Mars
Apr 6 2006, 07:09 PM
how deep victoria is? I dont remember.
do you think, can opportunity drive inside of victoria?
I'm sorry, becouse my english is so bad
avkillick
Apr 6 2006, 08:08 PM
QUOTE (FIN Mars @ Apr 6 2006, 12:09 PM)
I'm sorry, becouse my english is so bad
It's a hell of a lot better than my Finnish
Regarding your question, there are experts on this board who can probably give you a good estimate of the depth of Victoria. However, the determining criteria whether Oppy can go into Victoria is the steepness of the slopes and the general navigability for a rover the size of Oppy.
Pertinax
Apr 6 2006, 08:34 PM
QUOTE (FIN Mars @ Apr 6 2006, 03:09 PM)
how deep victoria is? I dont remember.
Based on interpolated MOLA data only: roughly 35-45 meters.
-- Pertinax
Tesheiner
Apr 6 2006, 08:49 PM
Another driving sol (782) for Opportunity; this time some 40m due south.
Click to view attachment(Annotated sol 781 pancam mosaic)
atomoid
Apr 6 2006, 09:19 PM
-- Victoria Crater:
Diameter=
Depth= 35-45 (m)
-- Endurance crater:
Diameter=
Depth=
-- Eagle Crater:
Diameter=
Depth=
...hoping someone is able to fill out the form
Tesheiner
Apr 6 2006, 09:47 PM
-- Victoria Crater:
Diameter= 800m (?)
aldo12xu
Apr 6 2006, 09:47 PM
Erebus
---Diameter: 300m
---Depth: 5m
Terra Nova
---Diameter: 550m
---Depth: no obvious depression
Fram
---Diameter: 9m
---Depth: less than 1m?
From:
http://www.lpi.usra.edu/meetings/lpsc2006/pdf/2312.pdf
RNeuhaus
Apr 6 2006, 09:56 PM
QUOTE (Pertinax @ Apr 6 2006, 07:36 AM)
As a small diversion....
I was looking at the MMB Oppy sol774 L1 pan this morning, straining to see anything interesting beyond the sea of sand sastrugi and sulfate seaweed, and noticed two features on the horizon.
1) At ~101.21 deg (~1.2 deg in width), there is an interesting, seemingly distant, pair of humps. A distant crater, nothing obvious to the east in our route tracking maps.
Link - 12) At ~004.75 deg (~1.3 deg in width), there is an interesting, again seemingly distant, dark stripe on the horizon. It seemed a bit small for Erebus, but also (though in about the right direction I think) a bit large for Endurance.
Link - 2Any thoughts?
-- Pertinax
About the pair of bumps, it is interesting, also a tiny crater, that is already common close to Erebus crater.
Up to now, sometimes, the rover drivers has not get used to climb over the edge of ripples for watch out on the long horizons due to the risk to edge on that (yes it is dangerous of stucking). It is a must! for an explorer. A long time, I have posted about the importance of having a retractable tall mast, up to 2 meters (EXomars will have it)
Rodolfo
Bob Shaw
Apr 6 2006, 10:11 PM
QUOTE (RNeuhaus @ Apr 6 2006, 10:56 PM)
A long time, I have posted about the importance of having a retractable tall mast, up to 2 meters (EXomars will have it)
Rodolfo
Rodolfo:
Here's what's wanted:
http://www.elevatedphotos.comLightweight masts up to 15.2m high!
Or:
http://www.smc-comms.comBob Shaw
AndyG
Apr 7 2006, 08:14 AM
QUOTE (Bob Shaw @ Apr 6 2006, 11:11 PM)
Lightweight masts up to 15.2m high!
Or, better, something like
this (balloon observation from a barge, dating back to the American Civil War.) If a large rover carried a lightweight, retractable blimp, then camera observations from tens or hundreds of metres altitude would be possible.
Andy G
alan
Apr 8 2006, 10:07 PM
Bill Harris
Apr 9 2006, 01:42 AM
Thanks for the mosaic, Alan. There are many subtle and interesting hues in the bedrock, which suggest to me differences in weathering and/or composition.
Here is a wheel track-rut from Sol-xx that shows an interesting cohesive or even plastic aspect to the current ripple "sand".
--Bill
dvandorn
Apr 9 2006, 01:46 AM
Gee, and here I thought we were well past sol xx, and well into sol xxx...
-the other Doug
edit -- darnit, Bill fixed his sol number. Ruined a perfectly good joke, too... *sigh*...
RNeuhaus
Apr 9 2006, 03:29 AM
QUOTE (Bill Harris @ Apr 8 2006, 08:42 PM)
Here is a wheel track-rut from Sol-774 that shows an interesting cohesive or even plastic aspect to the current ripple "sand".
True, hence rover drivers has crossed many sand ripples, at least without any fear. That zone, has somewhat compact sand.
Rodolfo
Bill Harris
Apr 9 2006, 03:30 AM
Oh fiddle, I'm caught. Couldn't remember the Sol# so I posted and went a-hunting.
(It was Sol-774, BTW)
--Bill
PS-- good joke.
alan
Apr 9 2006, 04:39 AM
QUOTE (Bill Harris @ Apr 8 2006, 08:42 PM)
Thanks for the mosaic, Alan. There are many subtle and interesting hues in the bedrock, which suggest to me differences in weathering and/or composition.
--Bill
I didn't notice the odd violet and orange pattern of hues in the bedrock until I saw the thumbnail. Since the more violet patches seem to be in the center of the frames, I suspect that's from vigneting rather than real color variations.
I'm giving (yet another!) schools talk about space exploration next week, and have been trying to make an image showing just how amazing Victoria Crater will be when we get there... just playing around here, not claiming 100% accuracy in scale, but is this image, showing how Victoria would look if magically placed beside Meteor Crater, quite close?
Grateful for all feedback/advice.
Nirgal
Apr 9 2006, 12:30 PM
Does anyone know if Oppy moved at all since April 6 ?
I didn't find any new hazcam or full-size Navcam pics for the last 3 days ...
Nor could I find the extensive multi-filter pancam series of the southern Horizon proposed useful for a non-driving Sol.
Is this because of the weekend, restricted sols or for another reason ?
(If I remember correctly, the JPL team said they would use every Sol that's possible for driving.)
Although we're making quite good progress so far (average 20 meters per Sol since erebus) it's still a long way to go and a terminal (hardware) failure can hit us any time ...
( So, IMHO, the discussion about "we're going too fast" and what comes next beyond Victoria seems a little bit premature: I would be more than happy if the remaining life time would be sufficient to reach the Crater at all and then an additional couple of dozens Sols to do the studies there
Tesheiner
Apr 9 2006, 01:09 PM
Last driving sol was 782 and the next one should be 785 (today).
I think that's just because of the weekend. The images should be downlinked this night (GMT), well ahead in time for the rover drivers start their monday morning's job.
Bill Harris
Apr 9 2006, 01:54 PM
Stu--
Nice 3-D. Here is a comparison image of Victoria and Barringer showing their relative sizes. For those who have visited Barringer, let your imaginations run wild!
--Bill
Nirgal
Apr 9 2006, 02:15 PM
QUOTE (Tesheiner @ Apr 9 2006, 03:09 PM)
Last driving sol was 782 and the next one should be 785 (today).
I think that's just because of the weekend. The images should be downlinked this night (GMT), well ahead in time for the rover drivers start their monday morning's job.
Thanks for the update, Tesheiner !
QUOTE
I think that's just because of the weekend...
Excuse me, if this has been discussed before ( maybe just a dumb question, I'm no expert on questions of rover operations at all
.. but :
Considering the large $$ of each mission Sol (and the limited total time) as well as the otherwise
phantastic(!) efforts and great support for the MER mission shown by JPL/NASA, I'm a bit surprised
that they would not have a kind of a simple "weekend shift" for the Rover operators ... (??)
Phil Stooke
Apr 9 2006, 02:24 PM
The explanation is simple - yes, there was lots of money before, but now they are deep - very deep - in an extended mission, with lots of other missions screaming for support. This happens to all missions - Galileo being a great example - there's comparatively little money, the operations team is much smaller than during the primary mission, everybody's overworked and tired. NASA can't turn the rovers off, but very few tears will be shed at HQ when they die. There are too many things going on to fund them all at the level that would satisfy everybody. I know that's not the perspective of MER-o-philes on UMSF, but it's the reality of managing the whole exploration mission.
Phil
RNeuhaus
Apr 9 2006, 02:43 PM
QUOTE (Nirgal @ Apr 9 2006, 07:30 AM)
Does anyone know if Oppy moved at all since April 6 ?
I didn't find any new hazcam or full-size Navcam pics for the last 3 days ...
Nor could I find the extensive multi-filter pancam series of the southern Horizon proposed useful for a non-driving Sol.
From Marsrovers JPL NASA portal:
Sols 783 and 784 (April 7 and 8, 2006): These sols' plans are for targeted remote sensing.These remote sensing would be of minTES and Mösbauer only?
Rodolfo
alan
Apr 9 2006, 03:08 PM
Part of the remote sensing. Mosaic of images from sol 784
Click to view attachment
Sunspot
Apr 9 2006, 03:15 PM
QUOTE (Bill Harris @ Apr 9 2006, 02:54 PM)
Stu--
Nice 3-D. Here is a comparison image of Victoria and Barringer showing their relative sizes. For those who have visited Barringer, let your imaginations run wild!
--Bill
I wonder if thats what Victoria Crater will look like to MRO.
centsworth_II
Apr 9 2006, 04:57 PM
QUOTE (RNeuhaus @ Apr 9 2006, 09:43 AM)
These remote sensing would be of minTES and Mösbauer only?
Mossbauer is not remote. I think the only remote sensors are the miniTES and the pancam with its various filters.
Nirgal
Apr 9 2006, 05:49 PM
QUOTE (Phil Stooke @ Apr 9 2006, 04:24 PM)
The explanation is simple - yes, there was lots of money before, but now they are deep - very deep - in an extended mission, with lots of other missions screaming for support. This happens to all missions - Galileo being a great example - there's comparatively little money, the operations team is much smaller than during the primary mission, everybody's overworked and tired. NASA can't turn the rovers off, but very few tears will be shed at HQ when they die. There are too many things going on to fund them all at the level that would satisfy everybody. I know that's not the perspective of MER-o-philes on UMSF, but it's the reality of managing the whole exploration mission.
Phil
Phil, thanks for the information ...
I didn't know that the budget is actually that tight now
All the more I admire the folks at MER/JPL for their great work with the rovers, much of which then must
be done in their spare time as it seems ...
So let's hope the coming images of Victoria Crater will help to increase awareness and help supporting funding efforts for the remaining MER mission
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