Ron Hobbs
Aug 20 2014, 02:27 PM
Oh, thank you Damia. I was looking forward to seeing a postcard. This will be a part of my next Mars presentation.
I can really imagine what it would be like to walk up this hill with Opportunity. What a ride!
Ron Hobbs
Aug 20 2014, 02:33 PM
James Sorenson
Aug 20 2014, 02:55 PM
Damia, your's is now my new desktop background
. Great work, and thank you everyone. What a great place we are at.
Astro0
Aug 21 2014, 06:40 AM
So while we wait for much better colour views from James and Damia,
here's a quick view across Endeavour Crater
Sort of freaks me out that view because I made a fanciful sketch of it over 4 years ago. Called it HOAV!
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climber
Aug 21 2014, 08:44 AM
So, which one is the real one?
I'm wondering how you'll call the view once we'll be a bit higher. HofHOAV? We definitely need a JAR emoticon.Thank you all for taking time to create those beautiful artistic pans
Ant103
Aug 21 2014, 09:16 AM
As you wish
Floyd
Aug 21 2014, 11:01 AM
James--any chance you have a wider version of the color elevation map for the region between Wdowiak Ridge and Smectite valley?
RoverDriver
Aug 21 2014, 05:12 PM
Floyd
Aug 21 2014, 06:39 PM
Thank you Paolo for pointing me to the links! Will Opportunity climb any higher than the brown elevation on its way to Smectite valley, or just follow the brown contour around. The ridge of the white peaks would have a great view...
James Sorenson
Aug 21 2014, 08:37 PM
And the 1x2 mosaic looking East.
fredk
Aug 21 2014, 11:21 PM
QUOTE (Floyd @ Aug 21 2014, 06:39 PM)
Will Opportunity climb any higher than the brown elevation
All we've heard is the proposed route map on
Crumpler's blog. It shows the route climbing pretty much to the highest point ("summit lithology"). I seriously hope we make it there...
vikingmars
Aug 22 2014, 12:32 PM
fredk
Aug 27 2014, 02:03 PM
It's now a week since we've received new pictures - the last were from 3758. It's not just that jpl/exploratorium aren't updating, since
Lemmon's tau page also hasn't been updated since 3758.
We have been seeing previously unseen old images appear, though, which sounds like a good sign.
Phil Stooke
Aug 27 2014, 02:10 PM
The JPL status report says there have been several flash memory faults in a row - typically these result from trying to write data to a bad area. Spirit went through this as well. The long-term fix is a reformatting, but that carries its own risks so it's only done when really necessary. That point might be approaching.
Phil
marsophile
Aug 27 2014, 04:29 PM
Is there risk in waiting too long to reformat flash? That is, could continuing flash anomalies prevent reformatting falsh? Or is the reformatting process itself independent of flash?
MahFL
Aug 27 2014, 04:37 PM
QUOTE (marsophile @ Aug 27 2014, 04:29 PM)
Or is the reformatting process itself independent of flash?
The Rover also has 128 MB of DRAM, which is where the formatting program would run from, so it's independent.
Greenish
Aug 28 2014, 01:04 AM
It is a ground problem, not a rover issue causing delay in images:
https://twitter.com/nivnac/status/504757927954362368
fredk
Aug 28 2014, 02:31 AM
I'm curious how James has learnt this - has the tracking database provided clues?
Astro0
Aug 28 2014, 04:24 AM
I guess while we wait for news and images, here's a pan from Sol 3749 using images that appeared on Exploratorium in the last few days.
Click to view attachmentUses both left and right hand pancam images, plus some artificial sky.
jamescanvin
Aug 28 2014, 07:53 AM
QUOTE (fredk @ Aug 28 2014, 03:31 AM)
I'm curious how James has learnt this - has the tracking database provided clues?
I don't know for sure. If I comment that there is no data on Twitter I get a bunch of worried replies, so i was really heading that off as there is no reason to be concerned.
Circumstantial evidence that Oppy is OK:
1) We've seen data/images drop out many times before.
2) Recent comments on Twitter from insiders have sounded routine and unconcerned.
3) There are old images/data downlinked on recent sols.
4) New sequences are appearing in the tracking database (all be it just tau obs)
5) There are a bunch of 'Unexpected sequences' in the on board data list (which implies that the rover has sent data that the database had not been told about, i.e. ground data is missing, rover data fine)
djellison
Aug 29 2014, 09:04 PM
QUOTE (Greenish @ Aug 27 2014, 05:04 PM)
It is a ground problem, not a rover issue
It's a rover issue.
http://www.jpl.nasa.gov/news/news.php?release=2014-292An increasing frequency of computer resets on NASA's Mars Exploration Rover Opportunity has prompted the rover team to make plans to reformat the rover's flash memory.
The resets, including a dozen this month, interfere with the rover's planned science activities, even though recovery from each incident is completed within a day or two.
PaulM
Aug 29 2014, 10:40 PM
When Spirit first landed its software crashed when its flash became more than 50% full. While this bug was being fixed, Spirit was switched to a mode where it did not use flash memory to store data. The picture in the link below was taken during this time:
http://mars.jpl.nasa.gov/mer/gallery/press.../20040128a.htmlThis shows that Opportunity would be perfectly usable with flash memory disabled, although it would be able to do far less work each day.
eoincampbell
Aug 30 2014, 06:30 AM
With flash memory disabled, is driving possible?
I recall those tense Spirit flash days when Peter Theisinger
was calming us all down...quite rightly...
PaulM
Aug 30 2014, 09:19 AM
QUOTE (eoincampbell @ Aug 30 2014, 06:30 AM)
With flash memory disabled, is driving possible?
I recall those tense Spirit flash days when Peter Theisinger
was calming us all down...quite rightly...
If command sequences are stored in different flash memory to that used to store data then I suppose that a 20m blind drive would be possible each day followed by each camera taking one picture at the end of the drive. These 8 pictures could then be transmitted to Earth at the end of the day's 20m drive without ever being stored in data flash memory.
I imagine that it is also possible to instruct Opportunity to do something immediately over its direct Earth link without sending this instruction as part of a command sequence. It therefore might be possible to tell Opportunity to drive a few meters without making this command part of a sequence.
climber
Aug 30 2014, 10:23 AM
I never heard that Spirit flash memory has been disabled, And I understand they are re formatting Oppy's not disabling
Burmese
Aug 30 2014, 10:38 AM
QUOTE (climber @ Aug 30 2014, 04:23 AM)
I never heard that Spirit flash memory has been disabled, And I understand they are re formatting Oppy's not disabling
That was temporary:
"
While this bug was being fixed, Spirit was switched to a mode where it did not use flash memory to store data."
RoverDriver
Aug 30 2014, 01:15 PM
QUOTE (PaulM @ Aug 30 2014, 01:19 AM)
If command sequences are stored in different flash memory to that used to store data then I suppose that a 20m blind drive would be possible each day followed by each camera taking one picture at the end of the drive. These 8 pictures could then be transmitted to Earth at the end of the day's 20m drive without ever being stored in data flash memory.
I imagine that it is also possible to instruct Opportunity to do something immediately over its direct Earth link without sending this instruction as part of a command sequence. It therefore might be possible to tell Opportunity to drive a few meters without making this command part of a sequence.
When the rover is in crippled mode we use part of the RAM as a file system and am not sure that the remaining RAM would support driving with the additional buffers we need for imaging and all that. And driving in real time? No way! The OWLT (One Way Light Time) varies from 5 to 20 minutes, communications take a LOT of power and takes time to switch between driving and communicating. We sometimes have very lengthy discussions on where to drive, how, what safety parameters to set.
Just think yourself driving in a foreign country, no maps, with your mother-in-law providing "suggestions". How long would you last at the wheel?
Paolo
MarsInMyLifetime
Aug 30 2014, 03:15 PM
QUOTE (RoverDriver @ Aug 30 2014, 07:15 AM)
Just think yourself driving in a foreign country, no maps, with your mother-in-law providing "suggestions". How long would you last at the wheel?
You, sir, are a driver of great patience and a master of diplomacy.
fredk
Sep 4 2014, 04:39 AM
From the
new PS update:QUOTE
The team will present its plan to a review board, scheduled for Wednesday, September 3rd, at JPL. If the plan passes the board's review – general consensus is it will – the reformatting could begin as early as the next day, September 4th, confirmed Callas.
Let's hope for the best...
Phil Stooke
Sep 5 2014, 01:56 PM
Just a thought... should we rename this place Cape Defibrillation?
Phil
climber
Sep 5 2014, 02:43 PM
No no no, I'm sure they know how to do it... by heart
Burmese
Sep 5 2014, 03:33 PM
I would image that after this procedure the formatting process will identify and mark off some bad sectors in the flash memory but is there any information yet on how many flash memory cells have already been marked as bad (both before launch, and as well since arriving at Mars). Also, how much got marked bad when Spirit did the procedure?
climber
Sep 5 2014, 05:29 PM
QUOTE (Burmese @ Sep 5 2014, 05:33 PM)
Follow Fred's link...
Burmese
Sep 5 2014, 08:18 PM
Ok, so Spirit lost 7% of total flash capacity when it reformatted, amounting to about 1/2 a bank. Worst case for Oppy could be about double that if they have to stop accessing bank 7 altogether.
Gerald
Sep 5 2014, 10:09 PM
If I understood the article correctly, the flash memory consists of 8 banks, each bank of 4 packages, each package of 32 sectors of 64 kBytes. The finest granularity for marking as bad is a sector. Total number of sectors is 8 * 4 * 32 = 1024. Hence the memory is marked in 1/1024 steps as bad.
The actual number of bad sectors of these 1024 sectors is known after reformatting. One bank (128 sectors) is excluded from the reformatting, since it contains the operating system, and is not exposed to frequent rewriting cycles.
Whether the reformatting resolves the root cause of the reboots, is known afterwards, too.
Astro0
Sep 7 2014, 07:57 AM
Today on Mars
Sol 3775 - Navcam
Click to view attachment NB: Two LH images with partial RH image stitched in to cover a data drop. Artificial sky added for effect.
Astro0
Sep 7 2014, 08:58 AM
A few more quick stitches.
Pancam
Click to view attachmentNavcam
Click to view attachmentWider pan of the post above using RH Navcams but with the drop-out image from the LH Navcam, so the reason for the mismatch.
Click to view attachment
James Sorenson
Sep 7 2014, 08:49 PM
QUOTE (Astro0 @ Sep 7 2014, 12:57 AM)
Today on Mars
Sol 3775 - Navcam
Great work!
And my take to.
jvandriel
Sep 8 2014, 09:59 AM
Here is the complete Navcam panoramic view on Sol 3775.
Jan van Driel
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atomoid
Sep 8 2014, 09:32 PM
thanks for the great stitches! its great to be Oppy-rational again. greats sights on
sol3775 from the parting view going up around the bend and look up to Wdowiak with Klingon face etched atop the rock garden variety slab.
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Floyd
Sep 8 2014, 09:54 PM
So can anyone give us an updated on the flash reformatting? Images are arriving, but from where in the pipeline? I'm assuming all went well.
ngunn
Sep 8 2014, 10:30 PM
QUOTE (Floyd @ Sep 8 2014, 10:54 PM)
I'm assuming all went well.
Me too. These are new post-format images as Astro0's celebratory post implies
. Only time will tell if the problems are completely fixed, though.
fredk
Sep 9 2014, 12:12 AM
QUOTE (ngunn @ Sep 8 2014, 10:30 PM)
post-format images
We heard that the formatting was probably going to go ahead last week but I haven't heard if it actually went ahead...
PaulH51
Sep 9 2014, 12:14 AM
QUOTE (fredk @ Sep 9 2014, 08:12 AM)
We heard that the formatting was probably going to go ahead last week but I haven't heard if it actually went ahead...
NASA's Mars Exploration Rover Opportunity has successfully reformatted its flash memory. Telemetry downlinked from Mars' most seasoned rover indicates the reformat completed successfully on Sol 3773 (Thursday 2014-09-04). LINK to full report :
http://www.jpl.nasa.gov/news/news.php?release=2014-292
fredk
Sep 9 2014, 01:37 AM
Thanks for pointing that out - I never thought to look for an update in the old press release!
jvandriel
Sep 10 2014, 08:07 AM
The Navcam L0 view on Sol 3778.
Jan van Driel
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Astro0
Sep 10 2014, 11:28 AM
Land of the Long Shadows
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Phil Stooke
Sep 10 2014, 04:20 PM
This is a circular view of Jan's full panorama from sol 3775. Opportunity shows Rosetta how to land on a double-lobed object. Simples!
Phil
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atomoid
Sep 10 2014, 08:10 PM
..and the shadow-casting
sol3778 crosseye
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jvandriel
Sep 11 2014, 09:33 AM
The L7 Pancam view on Sol 3778
Jan van Driel
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