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Stu
Oooooh, you're pretty...

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Might be here a while, you think?

Edit: better colours on this amended version, I think... http://twitpic.com/apn9s1/full
Stu
Oh boy...

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centsworth_II
Interesting how well those tilted back layers match the red lines in this diagram from a paper by James Wray (interview linked in post 101) et al.
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"...phyllosilicate-bearing layers (red lines) exposed in Endeavour rim."

From the text:
"...layers within the western rim dip away from the crater interior, as expected if the beds predate Endeavour crater and were back-tilted by the impact."

"...The Alpha Particle X-Ray Spectrometer could determine major and minor element chemistry, and the Pancam and Microscopic Imager could document grain sizes, shapes, and possible sedimentary textures (e.g., cross-bedding or laminations too fine to resolve from orbit)..."
xflare
wink.gif Looks like things are about to get interesting.
fredk
QUOTE (Stu @ Aug 31 2012, 10:19 AM) *
Might be here a while, you think?

Clearly we're at the right spot - the cairn in the middle of your mosaic tells us that! wink.gif
mhoward
QUOTE (Stu @ Aug 31 2012, 03:19 AM) *
Might be here a while, you think?


Wow. Yes, I think so. Unless there's a larger outcrop just down the way or something.
Stu
Could this be Oppy's very own "Promised Land"..?

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CosmicRocker
QUOTE (centsworth_II @ Aug 31 2012, 06:31 AM) *
Interesting how well those tilted back layers match the red lines in this diagram from a paper by James Wray (interview linked in post 101) et al. ...

Ahh, so there they are. Beautiful. smile.gif

QUOTE (RoverDriver @ Sep 1 2012, 06:55 PM) *
... I don't think it was intentional. This happens because the RF steer actuator is locked and when we do a turn in place clockwise the RF wheel plows the soil with the outside wall. When we turn counterclockwise the RF wheel scoops soil in the wheel well. ...
When I first saw the image I assumed it was an intentional scuff, to see what was below the surface. huh.gif

...sorry about three posts in a row... Mod: merged.
QUOTE (Stu @ Aug 31 2012, 03:35 AM) *
Oh boy...
No kidding. This is perfect timing for a 3D view of this outcrop.
Stu
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Discuss.

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Stu
Where did the UMSF Swear Jar go... think we're gonna need it...

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Astro0
Typical Opportunity. Some other rover gets the limelight for just a moment and she just has to show off. smile.gif
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Good on'ya girl!
Tesheiner
I think we'll have a closer look at those rock outcrops.
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ElkGroveDan
QUOTE (Stu @ Sep 2 2012, 03:50 AM) *
Where did the UMSF Swear Jar go... think we're gonna need it...

It almost looks intentionally placed there to help the story line like a bad sci-fi movie set.
CosmicRocker
I'm really curious about these mound-like features from the sol 3059 pancams.

-- pano in false color:
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-- pancam anaglyph pano:
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NickF
Sol 3061 navcam pano

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Stu
Everyone off the bus. I think we could be here a while.

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Tesheiner
Nice site. Here's the 5x1 navcam mosaic and the respective polar view.
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marsophile
Very nice images. Are these rubble piles likely to be impact-related?
Explorer1
I still see those overhangs as being astonishingly unstable, even in the lower gravity. Watch yourself Oppy!
RoverDriver
QUOTE (Explorer1 @ Sep 3 2012, 01:34 PM) *
I still see those overhangs as being astonishingly unstable, even in the lower gravity. Watch yourself Oppy!


One nice thing about 6-wheel driving is that even if one gives way the others pick up the slack. Now if you are talking about IDD, that is a completely different thing. We definitely cannot have one of the wheels on unstable ground while IDD'ing or place the IDD on an unstable rock.

Paolo
Explorer1
Yes, the sections on the left (South?) look a lot less foreboding.
CosmicRocker
QUOTE (Stu @ Sep 3 2012, 09:40 AM) *
Everyone off the bus. I think we could be here a while.

That, is one strange looking outcrop.
djellison
QUOTE (Explorer1 @ Sep 3 2012, 01:34 PM) *
I still see those overhangs as being astonishingly unstable, even in the lower gravity. Watch yourself Oppy!


This outcrop looks about the same size/height as the great wall of Eagle Crater some 8.5 years ago. Nothing the team can't handle.
dvandorn
I showed the latest image of this outcrop to my roommate, who pointed out its resemblance to a large pile of, er, thoat droppings.

My hope is that this is the edge of an upturned flap of rock strata that was violently flipped during the impact that formed Endeavour. It looks like the edge of a strata that dips in towards the center of Endeavour, though that's hard to tell with any certainty from this angle.

Anyone think this resembles the Woolly Patch that Spirit studied, which is suspected to have been a small clay outcrop?

-the other Doug
stevesliva
QUOTE (djellison @ Sep 4 2012, 12:24 AM) *
Wow - someone wasn't around for Sol 1. This outcrop looks about the same size/height as the great wall of Eagle Crater some 8.5 years ago. Nothing the team can't handle.

Back in the day, young Opportunity was expected to walk to school through thigh-deep snow drifts, uphill both ways.
Explorer1
Sorry, I should have been more clear in my post; I was wondering how stable the overhang is if Oppy uses the IDD as Paolo said (we don't know how well attached it is to the surface or what the wind has been doing to it).
I'm know it's nothing that can't be dealt with and I certainly do remember Eagle Crater! wink.gif
charborob
Here's a closeup of the outcrop.
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Stu
I wonder how much the mission geologists are drooling, looking at these rocks..?

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Edit: worked on that a bit more and got rid of that greeny colour... much better here: http://roadtoendeavour.files.wordpress.com...titled-1bv2.jpg
vikingmars
QUOTE (Stu @ Sep 4 2012, 02:36 PM) *
I wonder how much the mission geologists are drooling, looking at these rocks..?

Thanks Stu, for this very nice image.
Visually speaking only (no geology), they look like dry clays (very dry and much eroded)... I'm drooling too ! ohmy.gif
centsworth_II
If those are hematite blueberries studding the rocks, then they would be the same ol' Meridiani layers, not pre-impact material. IMHO
dvandorn
I'm not yet convinced that the blueberries are embedded into the rocks of this outcrop. They could just be scattered on top of these rocks, either as a lag deposit from previously overlying layers of concretion-bearing rocks that have since been eroded away, or lifted there by aeons of impacts that have redistributed such melt-resistant fragments liberally throughout the area.

A good MI campaign ought to shed more light on whether or not these outcrops have embedded concretions, or just have concretions draped over them.

-the other Doug
Floyd
I'm a microbiologist--so what do I know--but to my eye, these don't look like blueberries-not round, not shiny, and the ones that have fallen out look more rounded-cubic or random bits than spherical. The sick green-grey (even with Stu playing with colours) doesn't look like the blueberries we have seen before. I'll go with VikingMars and guess dry eroding clay.

Here is a link to a nice image of eroding clay. With no rain and millions of years of wind erosion, I think we could get what we see in front of Opportunity.
Tesheiner
Here is today's mosaic in L2 filter.
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nprev
Floyd, I agree with you re the berries. First thing I thought was "those sure are tiny & funny-looking blueberries..."

Becoming cautiously excited. smile.gif
PaulM
QUOTE (centsworth_II @ Aug 31 2012, 01:31 PM) *
Interesting how well those tilted back layers match the red lines in this diagram from a paper by James Wray (interview linked in post 101) et al.

...phyllosilicate-bearing layers (red lines) exposed in Endeavour rim."

From the text:
...layers within the western rim dip away from the crater interior, as expected if the beds predate Endeavour crater and were back-tilted by the impact."
...The Alpha Particle X-Ray Spectrometer could determine major and minor element chemistry, and the Pancam and Microscopic Imager could document grain sizes, shapes, and possible sedimentary textures (e.g., cross-bedding or laminations too fine to resolve from orbit)..."

This paper suggest that the strata that Oppy is currently investigating predates the formation of Endeavour Crater.

I understand that the majority of the group of craters of which Endeavour is one are thought to date from the late bombardment. I think that Endeavour is a good candidate for a crater formed during the late bombardment because it is so eroded.

It is therefore possible that the strata that Oppy is currently investigating predates the late bombardment. If the clays formed during the deposition of this strata then this clay might also predate the late bombardment and might therefore be more than 4 billion years old. If this was true then this clay might predate the Gale crater clays by several hundreds of millions of years.

However, I understand that the prefered theory for the origin of these clays is that they formed due to weathering in crevaces after the formation of Endeavour crater and so might be contemporaneous with those of Gale crater.
Don1
I'm no geologist, but I'm going with a greenstone/green schist/chlorite schist with embedded garnets. The rock looks finely layered, so maybe it is a schist. The little pebbles could be embedded garnets which have eroded out of the rock. Chlorite is a group of phyllosilicate minerals, some of which contain iron and magnesium. Chlorite could be the source of the Fe/Mg rich phyllosilicates seen in the spectra.

Green schist is a metamorphic rock formed from basalt. Some of the oldest rocks on earth are green schist.

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ngunn
Well I'm even less of a geologist than you obviously are but I really like your suggestion. I'd love those things to be garnets - my favourite mineral. smile.gif However, don't you need huge tectonic movements to produce highly metamorphosed rocks like schist? In favour of the idea: at least schists are hard enough to produce upstanding outcrops, whereas I'd be surprised if eroding clay beds would be.

I expect these rocks to be the progenitors of the clays but not the clays themselves. My reason? A little farther on there is a crater formed into Cape York which CRISM shows to be surrounded by clays (weathered ejecta?) although the interior of the crater appears relatively clay-free.

The Gale crater clays likely have a completely different story to tell. It's an old, old world.
Stu
A couple more sections added...

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Zeke4ther
I think you have the colour balance better here Stu. You can really tell that we have something special here. smile.gif
PDP8E
Here is one of those sub mosaic images of the current formation that OPPY is looking at.
The filters used for this shot are the far infrared, far UV, and plain old green... so my hat is off to Stu for pushing them into something that looks more 'real'. I went with crispness smile.gif
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Bill Harris
QUOTE (PaulM @ Sep 4 2012, 11:32 AM) *
This paper suggest that the strata that Oppy is currently investigating predates the formation of Endeavour Crater.

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Bingo, Paul.

I've been looking at this outcrop line with interest since leaving the Whim Creek stop. Although we've seen distant views of this zone, my initial impression is that brown-toned layered rocks represent a weathered clastic unit unconformably overlying a basaltic impactite that is pre-Endeavour. This unit was, literally, the paleo-surface of a wetter, warmer Mars. We've had glimpses of it in passing below the basal Burns Formation during the last leg of the pre-Cape York part of the traverse.

Here is a enhanced HiRISE image of this part of Cape York. The area of interest is the light-toned (ie, reddish in the RED-filtered HiRISE image) areas near the center of the image (ESP_024015_1775_RED).

http://i142.photobucket.com/albums/r91/wil...maker_bench.jpg

You can match up the route of the traverse using Tesheiner's Route Maps.

Closer PanCams and MIs are going to be interesting.

--Bill
CosmicRocker
Bill: I think the clastic unit underlying the basal Burns formation but overlying the Endeavour ejecta is being unofficially called the Deadwood formation after the target of that name from around sol 2770 or so (near Homestake). It's not exactly what you are talking about, but close. It was discussed in a recent paper that I can't put my fingers on at the moment, but I will try to find it for you.

ngunn: I think I would have to agree with you regarding garnet schist. As much as I'd love to see it, I don't think Mars has been tectonically active enough to have generated much in the way of schist or gneiss.

Right now I find myself agreeing with centsworthII. They look like blueberries to me, though they are on the ragged edge of resolution in these images. Whatever they are, they are embedded in the rock and not just loose granules lying on top. They are resistant to erosion and they are at the head of some mini-yardangs on the surface of the rock, as we have frequently seen with the blueberries out on Meridiani Planum.

We should be able to determine if they are hematite concretions in short order. There is an image set coming from sol 3063 with a full set of right filters...
pancam_Milnet_L234567Rall...
If Milnet is an image of a part of this outcrop, as I suspect it will be, a quick IR ratio image should identify any hematite that may be present.
walfy
i tried to stitch a group of these frames together for a 3D, made a headache for the eyes instead! Spectacular outcrop here. The overhanging rock near the top has a nice white vein in it. The rock near the bottom also has such a vein. Perhaps it rolled off eons ago.

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And a thanks for the great color panos of these rocks already posted! Really nice work.
walfy
Thick blueberry froth!

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serpens
QUOTE (ngunn @ Sep 4 2012, 08:51 PM) *
I expect these rocks to be the progenitors of the clays but not the clays themselves. My reason? A little farther on there is a crater formed into Cape York which CRISM shows to be surrounded by clays (weathered ejecta?) although the interior of the crater appears relatively clay-free.

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I expect you are right about the rocks being a precursor although that impact possibly excavated a clay bearing layer which is exposed as ejecta while the crater bowl has infilled? No matter how I torture the L257 the clasts seem to have the same response as the matrix so it seems unlikely they are the same hematite concretions as found in the sulphate sandstone. It would be outstanding if this turns out to be pre Endeavour impact materiel and MIs should be real interesting. This ageing rover has stolen the limelight yet again.
charborob
Sol 3063 navcam panorama:
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Bill Harris
QUOTE (CR)
It was discussed in a recent paper that I can't put my fingers on at the moment, but I will try to find it for you.
It's a paper by Squyers, et al in Science, IIRC. I can't find it or the reference, tho I may stumble upon it at anytime.

--Bill
Jam Butty
Interesting stuff...
looks like there are some thin light colored veins running through the outcrop.

L2R2 flicker gif Sol 3062
Levels stretched to bring out the shadows,
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For context its the rock in the top center of this image here...
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serpens
QUOTE (CosmicRocker @ Sep 5 2012, 04:42 AM) *
It was discussed in a recent paper that I can't put my fingers on at the moment, but I will try to find it for you.

The paper was 'Ancient Impact and Aqueous Processes at Endeavour Crater, Mars' Science 336, 570. 'Deadwood' appears to be material eroded from the Shoemaker breccia layer while this outcrop is something new. Is it possible that these are a deposit of (silicate?) impact lapilli - a remnant of the pre Endeavour environment which after all impacted into the ejecta blanket of Miyamoto (and sundry other craters)?

Stu
Fascinating place...

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