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sgendreau
I confess wheel.gif wheel.gif yearnings until we saw the closeups. But ... WOW.

What's the ugly seam-looking thing at lower left?
Phil Stooke
A quick - and not very carefully controlled - reprojection of Emily's blog panorama:

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Phil
alan
Looks like it was in the midst of splitting in two.
elakdawalla
Anybody have a guess at how big that black couch-shaped rock in the middle distance is? (Actually it's not shaped like a couch at all but it reminds me of "Couch rock" from Pathfinder)
fredk
Because Meridiani is so flat and level there's a simple trick you can use to estimate the size of things. The idea is that on level ground, the line-of-sight to the horizon will be camera-height above the ground, no matter what the distance. The navcams are about 154 cm high, so it must be close to 154 cm from the ground under the rock to the horizon, like this:
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Then to estimate the width of the rock you just measure the ratio of width to height from the image. That gives about 30 cm for the width. Of course if the horizon is sloping that could throw you off by some percentage...

Oh yeah, there's also the rule that things almost always look bigger than they actually are.
climber
I finaly understand how you used to set your Men in Black or whaterver you called them.
Very instructive, thanks
elakdawalla
Cool, thanks for that helpful explanation. Future blog post for sure! smile.gif
ElkGroveDan
QUOTE (climber @ Sep 22 2010, 09:13 PM) *
I finaly understand how you used to set your Men in Black

The "Mystery Man" is Fred's and Fred's alone, even though you know how to place it in images. However, I have gone ahead and created for you two choices of your own mystery man, a "climber" and a cliché American movie image of a Frenchman. So you can take your pick. Always glad to help.

nprev
Alternatively, you could use a figure that is not only popular but revered:

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climber
Thanks guys. I save the Climber mystery man to be used when we'll arrive at some "mountains", not for the $£%??!ùù%$$€€ meteroites.
Phil Stooke
Don't be so hasty, Climber!

Phil

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fredk
laugh.gif laugh.gif

Lot's of closeups now down:
http://qt.exploratorium.edu/mars/opportuni...1M1.JPG?sol2369

And eyeing our next target?
http://qt.exploratorium.edu/mars/opportuni...1M1.JPG?sol2369
fredk
A face only a mother (or a geologist) could love:
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Stu
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Fascinating star-stone... smile.gif smile.gif
djellison
From this angle, it looks like an eroded bronze sculpture of a pigs stomach. Maybe that says more about me than the meteorite.
Stu
Doug: EWWWWWWWWWWWWW! sad.gif

I feel like I should apologise to this meteorite. I called it "ugly" a couple of days ago, but it's actually a beautiful, bizarrely contorted, tortured and torn slab of scientific goodness.

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Look at the ragged-edged vein down there on the left... the cavities near the centre... all the rough and ragged edges on the cavity's right... just wonderful...

I envy the collector - native martian rockhound or money-to-burn Terran - who has that on his or her desk one day in the far future.

Edit: more pix at: http://roadtoendeavour.wordpress.com/2010/...island-revealed
centsworth_II
Check this out for very interesting info. on the naming of Oileán Ruaidh.

http://www.bautforum.com/showthread.php/10...454#post1794454

Note also that the opening post in that thread links to an item in the Donegal Islands news -- from March!
http://www.donegalislands.com/newsletterdetail.php?id=27
Bobby
Can any of the Imaging Experts in here find all the Iron Meteorites Opportunity has found and post them all next to each other?

I would like to see how each one looked compared to the others?

We could rate each one on a scale of 1 to 10??? laugh.gif
helvick
QUOTE (ngunn @ Sep 21 2010, 11:20 PM) *
Okay, now we need a Gaelic speaker to guide us on pronunciation and Ustrax to tell us where the original island is located. (My guess at the pronunciation would be 'Eylan Rua'.) How do they pick the names? This 'island' looks distincly less red than its surroundings. Are they following an itinerary?


Well speaking as a Gaelic speaker I'd have pronounced the island part "Ill-awn" and red is "Rua" but there are fairly broad variations in pronounciation. The Ruaidh spelling is a little archaic but not totally out of line. For something this size we'd usually have called it "Carraig Rua" (Red Rock) , things have to fairly big to be called islands. smile.gif
Stu
Bobby, I made this a while ago - it's not to scale, and the images are colourisations of cruddy raws, but you might find it interesting... I'll have to make an updated version now.

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centsworth_II
Here's an item with a January 2010 dateline and a less than flattering headline on plans to use the Oileán Ruaidh name.

Irish island twinned with Mars in climate change stunt
climber
QUOTE (Phil Stooke @ Sep 23 2010, 03:12 PM) *
Don't be so hasty, Climber!
Phil

Thanks Phil, I'm now the first Earthling having set foot upon a meteroite on Mars!
Call me Neil Climber.
WOetting
I am impressed that there is no impression under these meteorites. I would assume that the speeds needed to melt the iron would be such that there would be some type of disruption of the area underneath. I assume that I am missing something. Even if a larger meteor hit elsewhere and produced the smaller meteorites from a secondary explosion, I would think that you would see some evidence of this.
Mirek
QUOTE (WOetting @ Sep 23 2010, 06:27 PM) *
I am impressed that there is no impression under these meteorites. I would assume that the speeds needed to melt the iron would be such that there would be some type of disruption of the area underneath. I assume that I am missing something. Even if a larger meteor hit elsewhere and produced the smaller meteorites from a secondary explosion, I would think that you would see some evidence of this.


I think the theory is that, in time martian soil just erodes from under the hard iron meteorite, destroying any remnants of impact in the process.
brellis
QUOTE (djellison @ Sep 23 2010, 06:41 AM) *
From this angle, it looks like an eroded bronze sculpture of a pigs stomach. Maybe that says more about me than the meteorite.



That's why they call them MEEtiorites! smile.gif
Tesheiner
Now it's time for IDD work.
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Stu
Interesting view...

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Stu
Bobby set me wondering just how all these magnificent meteorites would look alongside each other, so I decided to make a comparison pic. But listen, this is just a bit of fun, ok? I'm not claiming these pics are 1000% accurate, alright? wink.gif

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Will be able to do better when I have more time. But I thought it was a fun idea. biggrin.gif
centsworth_II
QUOTE (Stu @ Sep 24 2010, 01:45 PM) *
Will be able to do better when I have more time....
In the "official" version, that last one should sport the name Oileán Ruaidh.
Stu
Yep, absolutely.
brellis
What an amazing journey!
akuo
What? IDD? Drive, drive, drive, drive!

Oh well, maybe the actuators need a rest once more smile.gif
Bobby
I have an interesting Question: If these are Iron Meteorites and they have been on Mars for a very long time.
Why is there no rust on them? I don't know if the air there has enough water to create rust on them?
James Sorenson
One possibility I would think is wind erosion that is eroding these meteorites already, would clear any signs of rust (If any). There is a few interesting area's which I have noticed on Heat Shield Rock which I thought looked like rust. But how can one really tell for sure on these meteorites in an environment that has Iron Oxides all around?
fredk
Closeup anaglyph (very hard to adjust these closeups properly, so may cause headaches in some):
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tanjent
That is a very beautiful anaglyph - you won't hear any headache complaints from me, Fred.
But in response to Bobby's question, the bottoms of the pits do clearly have a darker color than the rest of the rock surface.
They could be just physical accumulation of larger windblown dust grains, but how to rule out actual rusting?
On Earth a pitted hunk of iron left outdoors would likely begin to rust at the bottoms of the pits.

Is there any chemical difference between "Mars dust" and "Meteoric rust" that would let the IDD differentiate between them?
Even if there were, it would probably require a super-RAT to deliver the instruments to the right spot.
CosmicRocker
QUOTE (Bobby @ Sep 24 2010, 10:35 PM) *
Why is there no rust on them?

I think that is an interesting question worthy of some discussion. At first I dismissed the thought, thinking one would probably not expect a nickel-iron alloy to rust in the Martian atmosphere, considering that the atmosphere contains virtually no free oxygen. However, I think the oxidation potential of the surface environment needs to be considered.

The Phoenix mission discovered perchlorates in the soil. I would think these reasonably strong oxidizing compounds would facilitate the corrosion of metallic iron if liquid water was available mediate the reaction. In the absence of such oxidizing agents I would suspect that UV radiation in that sparse atmosphere might be able to dissociate some CO2, H2O, or other oxygen containing compound to generate some rust with the help of a solvent. If iron oxides cannot be formed, how about some other oxidation products like iron halides or other products of corrosion? It seems that it might not be impossible to oxidize some iron on Mars. What does that imply?

James Sorenson's sand-blasting idea seems reasonable. Rust or other corrosion products are fairly soft. It wouldn't take much wind erosion to remove a bit of rust from a meteorite laying on these wind swept plains. But if these iron meteorites were corroding AND eroding, we would not still see fine features formed by the entry of these meteorites into the atmosphere. I'm speaking of ablation features like the regmaglypts we've seen on some of these meteorites. We've also seen fine, wire-like protrusions of metal into some of the cavities of these metallic meteorites. They suggest that these were originally stony-iron meteorites of some kind. Such protrusions would have been obliterated if the metal was being chemically and physically assaulted.

I'd have to conclude that these hunks of metal have not experienced significant rusting since they fell, but that they would have rusted if liquid water had been available to them.
Stu
Rather than post them all here, there are some new images up on my blog...

http://roadtoendeavour.wordpress.com/2010/...eorite-goodness
Stu
Most interesting meteorite yet, I think...

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More pix on my blog, here...
NickF
Do we have an order-of-magnitude figure for how long these meteorites have been sitting around at Meridiani? 10^6 years? 10^8?
empebe
Liked your "Fishing Stories" series of rock shots a lot biggrin.gif
FredK
That 3D is stunning, it will cost me quite a few aspirins 'cos I like it a lot smile.gif smile.gif
Mike
NickF
Sol 2369 L3/L5/L7 composite of Oileán Ruaidh
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jamescanvin
A fantastic drive direction mosaic came down from sols 2369 & 2370. Tracks, ripples, nearby and distant pavement, (possibly) another meteorite and the 'twin peaks' on the north rim of Endeavour. What more could you want? smile.gif

Oersted
Well, James, I'm certainly sated by that view. Thank you!
brellis
This and a glass of water, and I'm set! thanks jc
Poolio
Scott Maxwell's most recent tweet:

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Driving away from the meteorite today. Not going to stop at the next one, but we're doing "drive-by shooting" (imaging as we pass it).

Back on the road again!
Bobby
Amazing Picture James smile.gif

I would go to the next meteorite nearby then off to the rocky area ahead where Opportunities wheels might have to
wiggle around them. I'm also wondering where all those rocks up ahead came from? I don't see a visible crater in
that area where they could have been blown out from? Could they be small meteorites? I also hope we get moving
soon.
Stu
Well, not even I can complain about scooting past the next meteorite, not after we've seen something as amazing as this...

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I think this most recent meteorite was the most impressive yet but yes, time to move on... smile.gif

Tesheiner
I saw the drive-related imaging plan on the pancam website before coming here but thought it was just another move on the circumnavigation. Now, with this fresh info about leaving and "drive-by shooting" I think I know the name of that other meteorite:

02374::p1949::04::2::0::0::2::0::4::Navcam_Ireland_3_bpp_pri_57
Stu
Hmmm. Guess they've exhausted the list in the "Big Book Of Where-The-Hell-Is -THAT? Little Island Names" and have moved on to "Everyone Knows Where That Is" islands... laugh.gif

Still holding out for a "Craggy Island"... smile.gif
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