nprev
Feb 14 2008, 06:13 PM
Utterly amazing, is all, Stu. My <clinking> jaw is sore from dropping. This is significant. Don't know if something's happening now, or if it happened a long, long time ago...but something happened at Meridiani, and it wasn't catastrophic, but gradual, like many terrestrial geological processes. The damn gun is smoking; can hardly wait to hear the experts chime in.
stewjack
Feb 14 2008, 08:09 PM
QUOTE (nprev @ Feb 14 2008, 01:13 PM)
This is significant. Don't know if something's happening now, or if it happened a long, long time ago...but something happened at Meridiani, and it wasn't catastrophic, but gradual, like many terrestrial geological processes.
Working from memory - I think we saw this at Endurance crater. Maybe someone more organized than myself will provide a graphic image from way back then.
Jack
tty
Feb 14 2008, 08:25 PM
We have seen similar morphology before. I read it as a fissure-filling that is harder than the surrounding rock and is therefore more slowly eroded. On Earth this kind of thing is usually due to liquids percolating through a crack, but it can also occur through vapors that sublime on the walls of a crack.
dburt
Feb 14 2008, 09:44 PM
Agree. Probably indicates moisture, if not necessarily liquid water.
-- HDP Don
CosmicRocker
Feb 15 2008, 07:01 AM
I agree that at least moisture is likely needed to create these razorback features. We've seen them in Endurance and numerous other outcrops between there and Victoria. They've often been described here as "fracture fillings," but that seems not to be the case. We have seen many images showing these hardened coatings on opposite sides of the fractures. They seem to be a secondary mineralization that has formed on the outside surfaces of the fractured blocks. In most places we have only seen their remnants on the vertical edges of the fractured blocks. Near the target named
"lemon rind" we found fractured blocks where the outer coating wrapped around to some horizontal surfaces.
Attached is a recent Victoria example of razorbacks on the outside edges of fractured blocks from sol 1438.
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Kye Goodwin
Feb 15 2008, 08:22 PM
QUOTE (CosmicRocker @ Feb 14 2008, 11:01 PM)
They've often been described here as "fracture fillings," but that seems not to be the case. We have seen many images showing these hardened coatings on opposite sides of the fractures. They seem to be a secondary mineralization that has formed on the outside surfaces of the fractured blocks. In most places we have only seen their remnants on the vertical edges of the fractured blocks. Near the target named "lemon rind" we found fractured blocks where the outer coating wrapped around to some horizontal surfaces.
CosmicRocker, Agreed, I have made the same point myself on the other Mars blog. There are a few examples of "fills" that actually seem to fill fractures, but the great majority do not. I think that calling all these structures "fills" is based on an unwarranted assumption. They may be, as you suggest, just a variety of "rinds". This paper suggests that the rinds and fills have similar chemistry which is like that of unbrushed rock:
http://www.lpi.usra.edu/meetings/lpsc2006/pdf/2401.pdf One thing I do not understand about the paper is that I can't remember any fills or rinds getting IDD work except Roosevelt and Lemon Rind but the paper shows more than 2 data points under rinds and fills.
One other point: The vertical laminations in Roosevelt imply a possible formation by repeated episodes of deposition, each on the vertical surface of the previous layer.
Stu
Feb 16 2008, 02:58 PM
Oppy's been doing some scuffing...
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djellison
Feb 16 2008, 04:15 PM
Probably to see how navigable that terrain beyond the visible outcrop is. The answer would appear to be 'not very'.
Doug
fredk
Feb 16 2008, 05:55 PM
So I suppose this was an intentional test? I couldn't see the two front wheels spinning in the sand while the others are (presumably) on rock, unless only the front were driven.
As Doug said, this doesn't look promising for going in deeper.
Reckless
Feb 17 2008, 12:32 AM
Hi all. Is this a berry track? It looks like a baby of the bigger boulder tracks in Victoria.
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Roy
Stu
Feb 17 2008, 08:30 AM
Aussie
Feb 17 2008, 08:54 AM
Can vapor deposition or surficial rinds really provide the mechanism for the razorbacks that we have seen in both Endurance and Victoria? These fills are evident in both the cliffs and the slopes at Victoria and at Cape Verde there is very definitely a fill in a very thin, vertical fracture.
Ant103
Feb 17 2008, 12:34 PM
Some little pictures :
An animation between the two lightens of this area.
Shadow of Oppy's arm on a RAT hole Sol 1430 :
Welcome back Soup Dragon
The Sol 1444 scuff :
It's a pleasure to back to work on images from Mars
.
Doc
Feb 18 2008, 05:56 AM
Great to be back.... does anyone know where I can find good quality contour maps for Oppy's entire traverse?
Doc
Feb 18 2008, 05:57 AM
The maps should include Victoria, thanks in advance.
djellison
Feb 18 2008, 08:32 AM
Tesheiner
Feb 18 2008, 10:23 AM
Opportunity did another drive during sol 1446.
Check the latest
fhazcam images. Are we attempting another path to the Gilbert layer or are we
leaving?
Stu
Feb 19 2008, 06:43 AM
Aussie
Feb 19 2008, 08:26 AM
I thought the previous 'rock hedge' shots and MI were of Gilbert.
fredk
Feb 26 2008, 04:08 PM
While slowly creeping deeper and deeper into Victoria, you may not notice the gradual change in scenery. But compare the latest navcam view of Verde, from sol 1450:
http://marsrovers.jpl.nasa.gov/gallery/all...B2P1675R0M1.JPGwith the view when we were perched on the rim, ready to enter, on sol 1291:
http://marsrovers.jpl.nasa.gov/gallery/all...ISP0643R0M1.JPGWe're now over 20 metres in horizontally, and six or so metres vertically. Hard to believe we're pushing six months inside the crater now!
BrianL
Feb 26 2008, 05:45 PM
Could someone put a line on Verde to mark the current depth?
Thanks
Brian
fredk
Feb 26 2008, 08:35 PM
If you look at the
first navcam frame I posted, the current depth of the rover on Verde is very close to the point where the horizon hits Verde, ie more than halfway down. This works because the visible horizon is very close to horizontal! (Actually the level of our
wheels would be a metre and a half or so lower still).
You can also make out the white layer on Verde, and we're a bit below that now.
fredk
Feb 27 2008, 04:30 PM
New batch of
Opportunity updates. One highlight:
QUOTE
Sol 1435: Opportunity... acquired a 1-by-1-by-1 stack of microscopic images of Buckland prior to acquiring another 1-by-1-by-1 stack for comparison prior to searching for frost. At 3:33 p.m. local Mars time, Opportunity acquired a 1-by-1-by-4 stack of microscopic images in search of frost on the rock tailings exposed at Buckland.
These images don't appear to be all down yet.
Also, the scuffing on sol 1441 was intentional:
QUOTE
The rover completed the second planned "scuffing" on Sol 1441 (Feb. 12, 2008). This time the scuff was successful, though it revealed an interesting surprise -- Opportunity's right front wheel dug in much more than the rover's handlers had expected, highlighting the need to proceed cautiously toward Gilbert.
Astro0
Feb 28 2008, 02:59 AM
Sorry if this has been touched on elsewhere.
Does anyone know the story behind the scuff-like mark on Oppy's solar panel (I'm presuming some interaction with the arm) and how these little 'pebbles/grains' got there (again off the arm?)
Just curious
Click to view attachmentThanks
Astro0
Aussie
Feb 28 2008, 06:36 AM
I seem to remember that when the arm started to play up they experimented with different driving stowages - including resting on the deck. Could that have been the cause of the scrape? Long time ago though.
djellison
Feb 28 2008, 08:13 AM
Good explanation - possibly the RAT brush contacting during MI work of the array as well, especially given the bent brush. That IDD-on-deck driving test was a LONG time ago now, and on the other side.
The clods sat on the deck are possibly blown off the IDD during the same procedure, or falling off the IDD having built up on the ledges and lenses up there, when it looks 'down'
Doug
peter59
Feb 29 2008, 02:28 PM
New unexpectedly high quality ( after long, long time) images from Microscopic Imager.
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CosmicRocker
Mar 1 2008, 05:58 AM
Thanks for the heads-up.
All of the MIs are not down yet, but this was such an interesting rock that it was worth stitching the available images, even if I had to mix command sequences. I am certainly tempted to suggest we are again seeing remnant, horizontal "rinds" in association with the razorback features.
Here are the stiched MIs from sol 1457.
Click to view attachmentThis set of MIs was taken at the lower left corner of this bedrock block in the Gilbert layer.
Click to view attachment
Lots of detail, thanks Oppy!
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ustrax
Mar 1 2008, 09:12 PM
QUOTE (CosmicRocker @ Mar 1 2008, 05:58 AM)
That last image is so D-A-M-N real CosmicRocker! One of the best so far on permitting us experience the martian reality...for now...
jvandriel
Mar 2 2008, 04:01 PM
The panoramic view on Sol 1450 taken
with the L0 Navcam.
jvandriel
Click to view attachment
CosmicRocker
Mar 5 2008, 07:24 AM
Thanks for your kind words, Rui. That was simply a crop of a false color, L257 composite which was created automatically by MMB.
I noticed a recent set of L257 pancam false color shots of Cape Verde from sol 1457 that were pleasing to the eye. Who could ever grow tired of this view of Cape Verde from Duck Bay? Here's the false color version of that recent Cape Verde pano.
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ustrax
Mar 5 2008, 04:12 PM
Crop or not, false color or not, automatically created or not, that specific image, that may appear as nothing special at some eyes when comparing to others that, by its sheer beauty and spectacularity, caught our attention immediately, as I was saying, this image took me there, don't know why, saw myself at the end of a sol, knealing on that outcrop...
Now that Cape Verde image...pure good old swearing...
CosmicRocker
Mar 6 2008, 06:57 AM
Ok, my friend. I was rather fond of
the microscopic imager mosaic, but you will hear no further arguments here. Far be it from me to question the judgement of an expert.
Astro0
Mar 6 2008, 10:33 PM
Seeing Stu's and CosmicRocker's excellent composites of Cape Verde above - here's a desktop version with sky and clouds added for effect.
Click to view attachmentEnjoy
Astro0
CosmicRocker
Mar 7 2008, 05:24 AM
That's quite nice, Astro0. That sky with its clouds is just what that pano was waiting for.
Ant103
Mar 7 2008, 10:26 AM
Ow, an administrator haven't removing the good post...
So, retry
Color pan toward Cape Verde on Sol 1457 :
And the Sol 1462 navcam pan :
Stitching made with Hugin, hard to begin but powerfull.
Cosmic and Astro, good work
.
Try that again...
Nice view of the dunes from here, Oppy...
Click to view attachment
dvandorn
Mar 8 2008, 05:52 AM
My goodness, Stu! It almost looks like we're all the way to the bottom of the crater!
I have to say, when I looked at that picture, what instantly came into my mind was "We is low, and we is down among 'em, Charlie!"
-the other Doug
jvandriel
Mar 8 2008, 11:16 AM
Here is my view of the Sol 1462 Panorama.
Taken with the L0 Navcam.
Where have we seen that before?
jvandriel
Click to view attachment
Ant103
Mar 8 2008, 02:21 PM
An anaglpyh of Cabo Frio (Sol 1464)
Edit : added, color pan of Cabo Frio, Sol 1462
jvandriel
Mar 9 2008, 05:02 PM
Here is the complete view taken on Sol 1462 and Sol 1464
with the L0 Navcam.
jvandriel.
Click to view attachment
Astro0
Mar 10 2008, 02:56 AM
Polar pan of jvandriel's panorama with rover added.
Click to view attachmentAstro0
Oersted
Mar 12 2008, 04:01 PM
Ddin't know that Victoria Crater occupies almost a third of the Martian surface... - It is all a question of perspective, I guess
Stu
Mar 16 2008, 11:16 AM
Everyone's favourite sharp-edged plate...
Click to view attachment
fredk
Mar 21 2008, 03:25 PM
jamescanvin
Mar 21 2008, 04:12 PM
Yup, guilty.
mhoward
Mar 21 2008, 04:30 PM
Me too. I'm sure everyone who watches the images come down remembered it.
Bill Harris
Mar 22 2008, 02:30 AM
>how many of you thought about this famous shot:
deja vu, all over again...
--Bill
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