Unmanned Spaceflight.com > Pool: Arrival at Victoria

mars loon

Aug 15 2006, 11:14 PM

QUOTE (mhoward @ Aug 15 2006, 10:32 PM)

Cleaned up the title.

thanks
as long as we're fix'in, how about that strange punctuation .,

mhoward

Aug 15 2006, 11:48 PM

QUOTE (mars loon @ Aug 15 2006, 11:14 PM)

thanks
as long as we're fix'in, how about that strange punctuation .,

Sheesh, you guys are sticklers. Okay.

Can't do anything about the comma - Invision adds that.

mars loon

Aug 16 2006, 12:02 AM

QUOTE (mhoward @ Aug 15 2006, 11:48 PM)

Sheesh, you guys are sticklers. Okay.

Can't do anything about the comma - Invision adds that.

looks great

you are indeed a man of many talents

dvandorn

Aug 16 2006, 04:05 AM

QUOTE (mars loon @ Aug 15 2006, 05:05 PM)

...has "arrival" been herein precisely defined ?

I thought our definition of "arrival" at a crater was the point at which the pancam and navcam lenses can see the floor of the crater down at least to its geometric center. Just seeing the far wall isn't enough.

-the other Doug

ElkGroveDan

Aug 16 2006, 05:13 AM

QUOTE (dvandorn @ Aug 15 2006, 08:05 PM)

I thought our definition of "arrival" at a crater was the point at which the pancam and navcam lenses can see the floor of the crater down at least to its geometric center. Just seeing the far wall isn't enough.

This is one area where O-Doug and I agree. I think someone suggested a few months back the first photo of any part of the dunes inside the crater was the arrival date.

djellison

Aug 16 2006, 06:54 AM

QUOTE (mars loon @ Aug 15 2006, 11:05 PM)

"arrival" been herein precisely defined ?

Yes. It is the first sol the rover spends at the site and drive number where it takes the large pancam mosaic that will obviously be taken of the crater. It's not the day that mosaic starts being taken, it's the day the rover is first on that site.

That definition has been in place for several months, and is something that I will determine at the time ( which is why I asked previously for my guestimate to be taken out for the sake of impartiality )

However despite a clear definition, I'm sure, as I expect will be the case with the far/near rim nonsense, it will results in a lengthy, pointless argument and debate that will end up with some deleted posts.

Doug

BrianL

Aug 16 2006, 04:36 PM

QUOTE (djellison @ Aug 16 2006, 01:54 AM)

However despite a clear definition, I'm sure, as I expect will be the case with the far/near rim nonsense, it will results in a lengthy, pointless argument and debate that will end up with some deleted posts.

No it won't.

Brian

dvandorn

Aug 16 2006, 11:57 PM

QUOTE (BrianL @ Aug 16 2006, 11:36 AM)

No it won't.

Brian

Yes, it will!

-the other Doug

MizarKey

Aug 22 2006, 03:22 PM

With the past couple of days drives, it looks like sol933 isn't out of the question...too cool.

RNeuhaus

Aug 22 2006, 03:47 PM

Now Oppy is on its Sol 916 and 317 meters away from the close to beacon (in straight line of its track). It is 4 days for starting the selecting the winner!

If doing a simple maths, Oppy advancing at an average of 35 meters per sol in a week: that is 317 meters - 30 meters (before to rim for a slow motion) = 287/35 = 8.2 days + 4 days for recognizing => Total would be 13 days

I feel that Oppy will slow down few tens meters before arriving the rim. So my forecast is that the arrival would be in 13 soles.

So , it look like that the winners would be between Mizarkey and up to Climber only when the travel plan is almost a non-stop up to rim.

CODE

920    MaxSt
921    Mony python
933    MzarKey
934    Atomoid
935    Climber
940    Toma B
942    Michaelcapobianco
947    Rneuhaus
948    Rakhir
958    Airbag
960    Tesheiner
969    mars_loon
973    Jamescanvin
980    Adam
987    Imipak
998    Dvandorn
999    Chris
1000    General
#1000    Djellison   Not in pool - acting adjudicator
1003    Ant103
1013    Decepticon
1014    Joffan
1024    Marsman
1024    Um3k
1036    Alan
1066    Pertinax
1110    Bob Shaw
1111    Nirgal
1124    Reckless
1138    Hendric
1237    Nprev
1500    OWW
1500    Akuo
1500    CosmicRocker

Rodolfo

RNeuhaus

Sep 5 2006, 04:56 PM

Today is 930 Mars sol.
New update, It seems very probably that Oppy will get in touch to VC by between September 18 and 24. That is between 13 and 20 soles only if there is no any safe mode interruption. The probably winners would be :

between 943 and 950

CODE

920    MaxSt           --> out
921    Mony python --> out
933    MzarKey
934    Atomoid
935    Climber
940    Toma B
942    Michaelcapobianco
947    Rneuhaus
948    Rakhir
958    Airbag
960    Tesheiner
969    mars_loon
973    Jamescanvin
980    Adam
987    Imipak
998    Dvandorn
999    Chris
1000    General
#1000    Djellison   Not in pool - acting adjudicator
1003    Ant103
1013    Decepticon
1014    Joffan
1024    Marsman
1024    Um3k
1036    Alan
1066    Pertinax
1110    Bob Shaw
1111    Nirgal
1124    Reckless
1138    Hendric
1237    Nprev
1500    OWW
1500    Akuo
1500    CosmicRocker

Rodolfo

climber

Sep 5 2006, 08:26 PM

QUOTE (RNeuhaus @ Sep 5 2006, 06:56 PM)

Today is 930 Mars sol.
The probably winners would be :between 943 and 950

Rodolfo

You've only got 4 more sols to think about it

Tesheiner

Sep 5 2006, 08:34 PM

Perhaps the MER team should plan a science stop here at Epsilon.
What do you think, climber?

Rakhir

Sep 5 2006, 09:07 PM

QUOTE (RNeuhaus @ Sep 5 2006, 06:56 PM)

The probably winners would be :

between 943 and 950

Rodolfo,

your guesstimate suits me fine

-- Rakhir

RNeuhaus

Sep 5 2006, 09:17 PM

QUOTE (Rakhir @ Sep 5 2006, 04:07 PM)

Rodolfo,

your guesstimate suits me fine

-- Rakhir

Please ssssshhhhhh!!! not yet

Rodolfo

Airbag

Sep 6 2006, 12:33 AM

QUOTE (Tesheiner @ Sep 5 2006, 04:34 PM)

Perhaps the MER team should plan a science stop here at Epsilon.
What do you think, climber?

I agree, a medium length stop would work well

Airbag

mars loon

Sep 6 2006, 12:51 AM

QUOTE (Airbag @ Sep 6 2006, 12:33 AM)

I agree, a medium length stop would work well

Yes. certainly a few more days to insure the highest quality science, no accidental tumbling, no dangling IDD and the Most Breathtaking Pan to ignite media attention!

would be appropriate

ken

CosmicRocker

Sep 6 2006, 03:14 AM

While I doubt they will, I could imagine sticking around this little cluster of craters for a while to do some science, but I am having a hard time coming up with 570 sols worth.

Bobby

Sep 6 2006, 03:42 AM

Is this Rear Hazcam Image from a new drive today (September 5th) or is this from yesterdays drive???

http://qt.exploratorium.edu/mars/opportuni...23P1375R0M1.JPG

jamescanvin

Sep 6 2006, 03:53 AM

QUOTE (Bobby @ Sep 6 2006, 01:42 PM)

Is this Rear Hazcam Image from a new drive today (September 5th) or is this from yesterdays drive???

http://qt.exploratorium.edu/mars/opportuni...23P1375R0M1.JPG

It's from yestersol (929) - no driving tosol

Bobby

Sep 6 2006, 03:57 AM

Thanks James and posted this in the wrong thread

climber

Sep 6 2006, 04:35 AM

Sorry guys, I still have a little chance but most of you don't

Pedal to the metal pleeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeease

Pando

Sep 8 2006, 07:01 PM

I'll make a prediction. Either of these two. It's going to be close.

940 Toma B
942 Michaelcapobianco

(note that I never signed up for this pool)

climber

Sep 8 2006, 07:26 PM

Note that (more or less

) my maths weren't that far
Here is how I did my bet :

That' an easy one !
Take launch date of Spirit and Oppy 1006 and 0707; add them = 1707. Divide by 2 = 854
Difference between actual sol 773 and 854 is 854-773 = 81. Now, You just add it to 854....and
SOL 935 is my bet
Climber

If I didn't did this error of calculation, (1006 + 0707 give 1713 and not 1707) I would may be have been right

Tesheiner

Sep 15 2006, 10:28 AM

QUOTE (djellison @ Aug 16 2006, 08:54 AM)

Yes. It is the first sol the rover spends at the site and drive number where it takes the large pancam mosaic that will obviously be taken of the crater. It's not the day that mosaic starts being taken, it's the day the rover is first on that site.

That definition has been in place for several months, and is something that I will determine at the time ( which is why I asked previously for my guestimate to be taken out for the sake of impartiality )

However despite a clear definition, I'm sure, as I expect will be the case with the far/near rim nonsense, it will results in a lengthy, pointless argument and debate that will end up with some deleted posts.

Doug

According to this definition and taking into account last SS's update:

"Our current plan is to take some Navcam images from the arrival point at the alcove, pick either Cape Verde or Cabo Frio, and then move out onto the chosen promontory and take what should be one heck of a spectacular Pancam panorama."

Arrival won't be just a few (two?) driving sols in the future but we should consider driving to Cabo Verde too.

I like that!

djellison

Sep 15 2006, 10:35 AM

LOL - the rule still stands - as it has stood for a long time ( and plenty long enough for people to have changed their minds ) - and I still maintain that until we stop to have a proper look, we've not 'arrived'

Doug

climber

Sep 15 2006, 11:25 AM

QUOTE (Tesheiner @ Sep 15 2006, 12:28 PM)

According to this definition and taking into account last SS's update:

"Our current plan is to take some Navcam images from the arrival point at the alcove, pick either Cape Verde or Cabo Frio, and then move out onto the chosen promontory and take what should be one heck of a spectacular Pancam panorama."

Arrival won't be just a few (two?) driving sols in the future but we should consider driving to Cabo Verde too.

I like that!

Tesheiner you're a DEVIL

You CAN'T be right

I'll do a Riot too if it's Sol 960

Edit : As you've seen, RIOTS pay OFF (see Ustrax's)

Pavel

Sep 27 2006, 03:44 PM

QUOTE (RNeuhaus @ Aug 22 2006, 11:47 AM)

CODE

...
948 Rakhir
958 Airbag
...

I guess Rakhir is the winner.

general

Sep 27 2006, 03:51 PM

QUOTE (Pavel @ Sep 27 2006, 05:44 PM)

I guess Rakhir is the winner.

Not yet...
http://www.unmannedspaceflight.com/index.p...ost&p=69993

RNeuhaus

Sep 27 2006, 03:57 PM

The winner will receive prizes!, and also for the second and third places with some kind of champagne to splash overall

Rodolfo

Rakhir

Sep 27 2006, 04:42 PM

QUOTE (Pavel @ Sep 27 2006, 05:44 PM)

I guess Rakhir is the winner.

Let's wait for Doug's decision...
The suspense is killing me !

Airbag

Sep 27 2006, 04:52 PM

Same here! Can we really see enough of the crater yet to warrant a full pancam mosaic though? I guess we'll find out in the next few sols...

Airbag

djellison

Sep 27 2006, 06:34 PM

I think we could be several sols from it yet.

Doug

Pando

Sep 28 2006, 12:11 AM

Well Doug, make up your mind, since NASA already said it on their website:

http://marsrovers.jpl.nasa.gov/gallery/pre.../20060927b.html

QUOTE

NASA's Mars rover Opportunity reached the rim of "Victoria Crater" in Mars' Meridiani Planum region with a 26-meter (85-foot) drive during the rover's 951st Martian day, or sol (Sept. 26, 2006).

I'd say that qualifies for 'arrival.' But yeah, we may have a few meters to go to reach the edge; then again, this thing is so huge that we may be nitpicking...

I would also mention that the peaked excitement the Sol 951 images caused in this forum also qualifies as 'arrival'.

And the fact that for the first time we can see the dune field, the absolute center bottom of this crater.

centsworth_II

Sep 28 2006, 12:18 AM

QUOTE (Pando @ Sep 27 2006, 08:11 PM)

...we may have a few meters to go...

It's not a matter of how close to the edge they get, but where they park to take the initial full panorama. They haven't even decided where that will be, let alone arrived at it! I do remember that at one point the suggestion was made to have the first image of the central ripples mark arrival. But that was supplanted by arrival at the location from which the first full panorama is taken at some point. (Hey! I don't make the rules, I just try to understand them.)

djellison

Sep 28 2006, 07:30 AM

The UMSF 'arrival' definition has been known for months and months. You all know the rules, you all had the chance to change your predictions....and you all know it's engineered so we 'arrive' during my Glog week

(Not really - but that's how it's looking to me at the moment )

Doug

djellison

Sep 28 2006, 10:08 PM

Part one of the Duck Bay pan starts tomorrow (953) - so I declare 952 as the arrrival sol.

Rakhir is indeed - THE WINNER

Doug

Nix

Sep 28 2006, 10:18 PM

Congratulations Rakhir

Nico

RNeuhaus

Sep 28 2006, 10:20 PM

Hello Rakhir,

Congratulations of your great luck. I remember that you chose my sol date and you realized that the sol was taken by me and you advanced further one sol. Again congratulations. It is unbelievle that we come so close to that date.

Happy Victoria Beer!

Rodolfo

jamescanvin

Sep 28 2006, 11:08 PM

And a special mention to Ilbasso who in the original pool some 14 months ago was the closest (875). Not only that, but if you discount the 80 sols we spent at Erebus (651 - 731, the first 'real' drive) he was only 3 sols out!

Airbag

Sep 29 2006, 02:22 AM

Ah, nobody ever remembers who came in second

or third!

Congrats Rakhir!

Airbag

Rakhir

Sep 29 2006, 04:38 AM

QUOTE (djellison @ Sep 29 2006, 12:08 AM)

Part one of the Duck Bay pan starts tomorrow (953) - so I declare 952 as the arrrival sol.

Rakhir is indeed - THE WINNER

Doug

Thank you for all !

It's an honour to win a pool in such a great forum for the arrival at such a great place on Mars !

After this long trek from Endurance, it's time now to look at some beautiful pans, uncover some secrets from Victoria and Mars history
... and to open some good bottles. Champagne anyone ?

And congratulations to Rodolfo and Airbag for the second and third place, and to Ilbasso for the special mention of the original pool.

BTW, what is the price Doug ?

-- Rakhir

Edit : Corrected second and third place as Doug declared 952 as the arrival sol (Rodolfo 5 days off, Airbag 6 days off)

clt510

Sep 29 2006, 06:24 AM

QUOTE (Rakhir @ Sep 28 2006, 11:38 PM)

Thank you for all !

It's an honour to win a pool in such a great forum for the arrival at such a great place on Mars !

After this long trek from Endurance, it's time now to look at some beautiful pans, uncover some secrets from Victoria and Mars history
... and to open some good bottles. Champagne anyone ?
And congratulations to Airbag and Rodolfo for the second and third place, and to Ilbasso for the special mention of the original pool.

BTW, what is the price Doug ?

-- Rakhir

how do we go about collecting a little happy for Rakhir. I'd pop $5US for a nice bottle of champagne for him (& I didn't even participate in the "contest").

ToSeek

Sep 29 2006, 02:51 PM

Huzzah!

climber

Jul 17 2007, 07:21 PM

QUOTE (RNeuhaus @ Aug 22 2006, 05:47 PM)

920 MaxSt
921 Mony python
933 MzarKey
934 Atomoid
935 Climber
940 Toma B
942 Michaelcapobianco
947 Rneuhaus
948 Rakhir
958 Airbag
960 Tesheiner
969 mars_loon
973 Jamescanvin
980 Adam
987 Imipak
998 Dvandorn
999 Chris
1000 General
#1000 Djellison Not in pool - acting adjudicator
1003 Ant103
1013 Decepticon
1014 Joffan
1024 Marsman
1024 Um3k
1036 Alan
1066 Pertinax
1110 Bob Shaw
1111 Nirgal
1124 Reckless
1138 Hendric
1237 Nprev
1500 OWW
1500 Akuo
1500 CosmicRocker

Regarding this very old trait, beware that OWW, Akuo & CosmicRocker didn't believe at this time that we'll be even at Victoria by now! Do NOT laught Nprev, your bet was for today!