eoincampbell
Sep 30 2009, 04:28 AM
Brilliant, I love this vehicle...
Stu
Sep 30 2009, 06:00 AM
Tman
Sep 30 2009, 06:04 AM
QUOTE (Phil Stooke @ Sep 30 2009, 04:58 AM)
Oh no - this better not be another interesting rock, I want to drive!
Oppy has become an expert in the matter of meteorites - the "expertises" should go faster now...
It's like the first gold seekers that found a good place here. All over the place a big nugget direct on the surface.
MizarKey
Sep 30 2009, 06:55 AM
It's beginning to feel like Antarctica, big flat plain like a meteorite magnet. Could be more for the same fall that produced BI?
vikingmars
Sep 30 2009, 08:27 AM
QUOTE (Phil Stooke @ Sep 30 2009, 04:58 AM)
Oh no - this better not be another interesting rock, I want to drive! Phil
Yes ! Phil is damn right.
We should stay on the "Follow the Water" trail , NOT embark ourselves on a "Follow the Iron" quest.
BIG discoveries are yet to be made at Endeavour crater : olivine, philosilicates, pyroxene, clays... maybe. Please, don't stop at every rock : let's drive !
Stu
Sep 30 2009, 08:53 AM
Awww, a quick look won't hurt guys
Driving is good, and amazing discoveries await us at Endeavour, but looking at any meteorites we find along the way is a good idea because that will tell us a lot about the past of this fascinating area - how the landscape has changed over time, weathering effects here, etc.
And come
on...
meteorites... ancient, gnarled, radiation-soaked chunks of metal and iron sharpnel from space... sitting on the surface of Mars... right in the path of one of the most amazing spacecraft ever designed, built and sent to another world...
To
not stop and pay our respects would be just rude
djellison
Sep 30 2009, 10:55 AM
A quick stop - image it, and drive on. That's about as much as I could probably handle
Tesheiner
Sep 30 2009, 01:34 PM
I would expect it'll be the focus of this weekend's stop.
climber
Sep 30 2009, 02:45 PM
I was sure you'll answer this, Eduardo!... and it makes sense to me... as well as to RF
But I'd better like Doug's idea of a kind of "Touch & Go".
Juramike
Sep 30 2009, 03:01 PM
“You're only here for a short visit. Don't hurry, don't worry. And be sure to smell the flowers along the way.”
-golfer Walter Hagen
Ant103
Sep 30 2009, 03:23 PM
The complete panoramic of Nereus on Sol 2010 is done
(pancam R2) :
ustrax
Sep 30 2009, 04:30 PM
Trying not to forget that what is important is the journey but...come on guys!
I've already run out of map...and we're almost three months behind schedule...
Click to view attachment
climber
Sep 30 2009, 08:54 PM
QUOTE (Juramike @ Sep 30 2009, 05:01 PM)
-golfer Walter Hagen
OK but we already scored an Eagle at the first shot.So,
HughFromAlice
Sep 30 2009, 09:29 PM
Very witty!!!!!
So, was Block Island a 5 iron or 6 iron? (OK, I deserve a kick in the pants for that one!).
Oersted
Sep 30 2009, 09:47 PM
This mission has proved to be very much about the voyage itself and not a particular end goal. There won't be too much of value to stop for on these deserted plains, I say, let's pause and take a look. For a rover that has lasted or years, and seems good to go for much longer, one day more or less won't mean a lot.
BrianL
Sep 30 2009, 10:04 PM
I think this would be an appropriate amount of time to spend at it.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BQJH5tZLGis
centsworth_II
Sep 30 2009, 11:16 PM
JayB
Oct 1 2009, 04:23 AM
QUOTE (BrianL @ Sep 30 2009, 03:04 PM)
I think this would be an appropriate amount of time to spend at it.
So you're saying we should rename Endeavour to Walley World?
of course maybe we'll get a feature called Griswold at some point...he was a great explorer and the Family Truckster...now that was a fine ship of exploration
well in case any one wants my opinion (and I know no one does)
climber
Oct 1 2009, 05:18 AM
QUOTE (HughFromAlice @ Sep 30 2009, 11:29 PM)
Very witty!!!!!
So, was Block Island a 5 iron or 6 iron? (OK, I deserve a kick in the pants for that one!).
Would nprev have put up this question, I'd had replied: it's just iron, nick (ok these one is worse than yours HughFromAlice..)
nprev
Oct 1 2009, 05:51 AM
Oh, God, that was
foul, Climber!
(I
knew I'd get dragged into this somehow...
)
CosmicRocker
Oct 1 2009, 06:26 AM
This new rock seems like it just might be large enough and have enough contrast to be visible to the HiRise camera. There does seem to be a bit of a dark smudge near where I am guessing the rock is sitting.
Click to view attachmentRegarding how long Opportunity may stop to study this rock, perhaps only in passing. The pancam tracking database indicates images will be taken of "Falcon Crater" on sol 2022, which is tosol. The next apparent craters I can see are about 200 meters beyond the sol 2020 position, suggesting the rover is already long past this new rock. (unless plans have changed)
ustrax
Oct 1 2009, 11:12 AM
This is seriously starting to look like a meteorite "strewnfield", and is reminding me a lot of the "Imilac" fall in Chile's Atacama desert. I'll bet this area is a veritable meteorite garden. What I'd give to be able to wander around here for a sol... I'd be able to add some very impressive specimens to my modest collection...
http://oauniverse.wordpress.com/the-meteorites
HughFromAlice
Oct 1 2009, 11:35 AM
Rough Nav cam stitch Sol2020 - latest pics from Exploratorium. At least they give a bit of a feeling of orientation and space. It'll be a fair job to stitch these together manually as there seem to be quite large mismatches and distortions between the images.
Looks like an interesting rock in the far right frame - mid distance about 1 o'clock from centre of frame!!! In fact, I am just wondering with all of these, if each of them might not be 'a chip off the same block' (no pun intended, really). But really interesting just the same.
Click to view attachment
Poolio
Oct 1 2009, 01:51 PM
QUOTE (CosmicRocker @ Oct 1 2009, 02:26 AM)
The pancam tracking database indicates images will be taken of "Falcon Crater" on sol 2022, which is tosol.
Could
this be Falcon Crater?
Julius
Oct 1 2009, 03:14 PM
dont know why we're driving the other way opposite to where we're supposed to go!dont believe opportunity has problems with its wheel.Anyone explain whats happening?
elakdawalla
Oct 1 2009, 03:20 PM
The western leg of this jaunt gets them to much better driving conditions (witness the increase in bedrock we're seeing now) and avoids a large field of Purgatory-type dunes that lies on the direct path to Endeavour.
fredk
Oct 1 2009, 03:30 PM
QUOTE (Poolio @ Oct 1 2009, 02:51 PM)
Could
this be Falcon Crater?
That's what we'd been calling the "rubble pile" recently in this thread.
Hugh - that's the first of the two new rocks we've been watching for a few sols.
Poolio
Oct 1 2009, 04:07 PM
Aha, so it is.
I didn't recognize that the
navcam image was the same view as the
hazcam referenced earlier. From the hazcam you can't really tell that there's a tiny crater hidden among all that rubble (at least not for these untrained eyes).
jamescanvin
Oct 1 2009, 06:36 PM
A couple more 'Drive Direction' mosaics
2017
2020
These will probably be my last for a week or two as I'm moving house tomorrow! And will be without my broadband for a while...
James
HughFromAlice
Oct 1 2009, 08:25 PM
QUOTE (fredk @ Oct 2 2009, 01:00 AM)
two new rocks
Thanks Fred. What I should have said more explicitly is I was wondering what (if any) the relationship of these rocks might be to Block Island. Interesting that there should be several of them so close together. Are they a group of objects that plunged through the atmosphere all on the same trajectory, bits off 'the old block' that split during atmospheric entry/hitting the ground or is the contiguous location just the outcome of several billion years of chance?
centsworth_II
Oct 1 2009, 08:39 PM
QUOTE (HughFromAlice @ Oct 1 2009, 04:25 PM)
... Are they... bits off 'the old block' that split during atmospheric entry/hitting the ground or is the contiguous location just the outcome of several billion years of chance?
It seems to me that the landing dates could be millions, or hundreds of millions of years apart and the meteorites are laying on the same surface because either that surface has not changed over that time, or a net removal of surface material has left meteorites that were initially at different levels on the same level.
fredk
Oct 2 2009, 04:16 AM
We've arrived at the rock, and oh my, she's a real beauty:
http://qt.exploratorium.edu/mars/opportuni...AKP1301R0M1.JPGWe need a name for it. Any clues from the pancam database?
nprev
Oct 2 2009, 04:23 AM
...how about "Holy Cow"?
Man, what a
beauty!!! Bet my bottom dollar that it's another chunk o' iron/nickel.
PDP8E
Oct 2 2009, 04:24 AM
Rhino
nprev
Oct 2 2009, 04:30 AM
Stu's gonna totally lose his mind when he sees this sucker.
briv1016
Oct 2 2009, 04:31 AM
Astro0
Oct 2 2009, 04:44 AM
She's a beaut!
Click to view attachmentCombined Pan/Nav cams.
CosmicRocker
Oct 2 2009, 04:47 AM
Egads! I saw "Shelter Island" listed in the database yesterday, but it didn't register.
ElkGroveDan
Oct 2 2009, 05:48 AM
Just in time for the season.
Juramike
Oct 2 2009, 05:51 AM
QUOTE (ElkGroveDan @ Oct 2 2009, 01:48 AM)
Just in time for the season.
Wow oh wow... you're right, nprev! Best-looking starstone yet!! (And I'm away from my PC and can't do anything with the images! Curses! ("Hooray!!" shouts everyone else!
)
Managed to download Stereo-photomaker to make this tho...
Click to view attachment
Tesheiner
Oct 2 2009, 04:05 PM
QUOTE (Astro0 @ Oct 2 2009, 06:44 AM)
She's a beaut!
Isn't it a fossilised porcupine?
PDP8E
Oct 2 2009, 04:54 PM
That's it! I am incorporating... "Martian Iron Works" with headquarters at Meridiani Planum
The raw materials are everywhere: Iron Nickel Meteorites, Hematite (i.e natural ore), red-rust, magnetite, and much more.
My army of hematite gathering rovers and my hordes of magnetic gathering (magnetite) rovers will have cameras -etc for direct download to UMSF. In due time, I will have the Martian Iron and Steel market cornered!
First step: raise $1 trillion USD to get basic infrastructure up and running ... (hmmmm....check back with me later on that one...)
fredk
Oct 2 2009, 05:24 PM
QUOTE (CosmicRocker @ Oct 1 2009, 07:26 AM)
This new rock seems like it just might be large enough and have enough contrast to be visible to the HiRise camera. There does seem to be a bit of a dark smudge near where I am guessing the rock is sitting.
With the new navcams we can pin down the location of Shelter Island exactly. The feature you indicated with the pink arrow, Rocker, is the curved end of a dune. SI is very close by though, where the green arrow points:
Click to view attachment(Sorry if I've duplicated your work, Tesheiner, but I haven't installed the GM doohickey yet...)
ElkGroveDan
Oct 2 2009, 05:37 PM
QUOTE (PDP8E @ Oct 2 2009, 08:54 AM)
In due time, I will have the Martian Iron and Steel market cornered!
Good luck with the steel. You'll need a supply of an interstitial element like carbon and unless the rovers start encountering a large number of chondrites, I'm not sure where you'll find that on Mars. If you find some chromium to go with the nickel and iron you'll be able to make stainless steel and there would certainly be a demand for that where structures contact the oxidizing soils.
elakdawalla
Oct 2 2009, 05:45 PM
Way to be a wet blanket, Dan.
ElkGroveDan
Oct 2 2009, 06:02 PM
....well then I'll add an upbeat note; From a standpoint of weight and required strength iron will be fine for the kinds of uses we are accustomed to in the lower gravity, and since the atmosphere itself is not highly oxidizing there really won't be a problem with rust on the parts of structures that don't come in contact with the soil. And for those that do, there is an ample supply of silica which could be fabricated into inert vitreous barriers.
So "Martian Ironworks" is probably still a good investment.
ngunn
Oct 2 2009, 07:17 PM
QUOTE (ElkGroveDan @ Oct 2 2009, 06:37 PM)
You'll need a supply of an interstitial element like carbon and unless the rovers start encountering a large number of chondrites, I'm not sure where you'll find that on Mars.
I don't know. Isn't there quite a lot of carbon in the Martian atmosphere? And since we'll be needing the oxygen as well . . .
PDP8E
Oct 2 2009, 07:47 PM
QUOTE (ElkGroveDan @ Oct 2 2009, 12:37 PM)
Good luck with the steel. ....
Dan, its all taken care of in the 130,000 page business plan.
You know, a Trillion dollars does buy a few contingencies.
So stop worrying and just send me $10 for a share and you are in on the ground floor baby!
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