Tesheiner
Jan 19 2010, 12:00 AM
Yep, the ripples are big. But Opportunity has crossed by this kind of terrain plenty of times. Perhaps it won't be safe to drive 70m on a single day but we'll get to that crater for sure.
PS/OT: Mapping will have to wait for tomorrow. I've just finished restoring my home computer to a previous (and working) state. Google chrome stopped working yesterday and I finally got it back on business again. It's time to go to bed.
Phil Stooke
Jan 19 2010, 01:16 AM
"how big ARE those dunes? "
Not too big - check out Tesheiner's last small route map. It clearly shows that the larger drifts are close to the current position, but that they can be bypassed easily just like the last few drives got past even bigger drifts. The terrain around the crater is going to be easier than where we are now. The HiRISE images are much better than rover panoramas for assessing the terrain.
Phil
Ant103
Jan 19 2010, 07:09 PM
Sol 2128 pancam & navcam drive direction pans
vikingmars
Jan 19 2010, 07:57 PM
QUOTE (Ant103 @ Jan 19 2010, 08:09 PM)
Sol 2128 pancam & navcam drive direction pans
Fourmi 103, j'aime bcp votre pano du bas très poétique et évocateur des dunes de Mars...
climber
Jan 19 2010, 09:01 PM
QUOTE (vikingmars @ Jan 19 2010, 08:57 PM)
Fourmi 103, j'aime bcp votre pano du bas très poétique et évocateur des dunes de Mars...
La traduction automatique doit donner des choses interessantes sur cette phrase! (surtout le bcp!). Dans le genre facile à traduire je me demande ce que va donner:"et par dessus le marché, il m'a fauché mon oseille".
Sorry guys, just having some fun but not realy OT.
vikingmars
Jan 19 2010, 09:09 PM
QUOTE (climber @ Jan 19 2010, 10:01 PM)
Sorry guys, just having some fun but not realy OT.
"Messieurs, honni soit qui mal y pense !"
(Edouard III d'Angleterre)
Ant103
Jan 20 2010, 09:57 AM
Merci Olivier
Adding the color version with on more frame to the right
Tesheiner
Jan 20 2010, 09:01 PM
We're getting closer... About 70m closer.
This is from today's downlink; two navcam pics (for the time being).
Click to view attachment
Stu
Jan 20 2010, 09:01 PM
New navcams up... Oh, I can almost smell those rocks now...
http://twitpic.com/yyx71C'mon, pancams, where are you..???
Tesheiner
Jan 20 2010, 09:54 PM
Looking to the
latest route map, we're at almost 100m from the crater. Only two more driving sols.
Click to view attachment
Stu
Jan 20 2010, 09:58 PM
Really looking forward to seeing new pancams... think we'll see some real detail around the crater.
I gave an Outreach talk today - to a Probus Club (50 or so retired professionals, inc quite a few chemists, engineers, etc) - and the people there were absolutely fascinated by the journeys of the Mars rovers. Quite a few, it has to be said, knew nothing about them at all, but they were v impressed by their longevity and achievements.
fredk
Jan 21 2010, 02:15 AM
Can't wait for pancams too. And I'm wondering if we're already seeing ejecta from Conception. In the new navcam:
http://qt.exploratorium.edu/mars/opportuni...NGP0693R0M1.JPGit looks like there may be ejecta at the far end of the large stretch of pavement between us and Conception (and maybe even closer). And based on Tesheiner's map that looks about right for the limit of ejecta.
alan
Jan 21 2010, 04:41 AM
nprev
Jan 21 2010, 05:28 AM
Nice! The far rim of Endeavour, I assume?
fredk
Jan 21 2010, 05:37 AM
Not Endeavour. Those bits are from Iazu. The sky is quite clear though. I hope we see more soon.
Astro0
Jan 21 2010, 06:07 AM
While we wait for the experts (James, Ant etc
), here's a quick artist's view of the current drive direction.
Click to view attachmentEnjoy
Stu
Jan 21 2010, 06:34 AM
Nice one, Astro0! And the view in 3D...
Click to view attachmentSome more hills visible on the horizon, yes, but not as many as I'm sure many of us were expecting. Hmmm. I think we're unlikely to get our long-awaited "heck of a view" until we're quite a way past Concepcion...
Ant103
Jan 21 2010, 09:13 AM
climber
Jan 21 2010, 09:42 AM
QUOTE (Stu @ Jan 21 2010, 07:34 AM)
Some more hills visible on the horizon, yes, but not as many as I'm sure many of us were expecting. Hmmm. I think we're unlikely to get our long-awaited "heck of a view" until we're quite a way past Concepcion...
Hard to tell for sure, but those rolling hills doesn't seams that far away, may be half a km? Hoppefully we'll climb one of them and get THE view we all expect since it'll also have a scientifict value.
ustrax
Jan 21 2010, 09:47 AM
QUOTE (fredk @ Jan 21 2010, 05:37 AM)
Not Endeavour. Those bits are from Iazu. The sky is quite clear though. I hope we see more soon.
I am delighted in anticipation...
jamescanvin
Jan 21 2010, 09:57 AM
QUOTE (climber @ Jan 21 2010, 09:42 AM)
Hard to tell for sure, but those rolling hills doesn't seams that far away, may be half a km?
As Fredk says those are the hills of Iazu Crater which iirc are actually ~40km away. The clear atmosphere at the moment can play tricks.
ngunn
Jan 21 2010, 12:25 PM
I read climber as referring to the rolling hills on the nearer horizon in front of Iazu. We only see a small part of the horizon so far: I think there will already be be other distant features visible to the right and left of that view. Also, as Conception breaks the horizon we must still have at least a metre to climb to reach it. I definitely expect to see more from there.
jamescanvin
Jan 21 2010, 01:04 PM
My take is that those are just more big ripples a little beyond Conception.
Hopefully we are near the top of the rise, it would be nice to have a distant horizon to look at (and Phil-o-vision
) again. But personally I'm not expecting a 'hell-of-a-view' for a long time yet.
Phil Stooke
Jan 21 2010, 02:47 PM
" it would be nice to have a distant horizon to look at (and Phil-o-vision ) again"
With these new glasses my astigmatism has been corrected, so Phil-o-vision may not work any more!
Phil
ElkGroveDan
Jan 21 2010, 03:41 PM
I love the suspense of these approaches. It reminds me of that first creep toward Endurance and how exciting that was, and how tantalizing those protruding white cliffs were and the slow march toward Erebus and what a visual disappointment that one was. Of course I will never forget the first glimpse of Victoria.
climber
Jan 21 2010, 03:45 PM
QUOTE (ElkGroveDan @ Jan 21 2010, 04:41 PM)
Of course I will never forget the first glimpse of Victoria.
Neither David B. will
ustrax
Jan 21 2010, 04:10 PM
QUOTE (ElkGroveDan @ Jan 21 2010, 03:41 PM)
I love the suspense of these approaches.
I'm with you there Dan...remember the time?
http://marsrovers.jpl.nasa.gov/gallery/pre...e-B081R1_br.jpghttp://midnightmarsbrowser.blogspot.com/20...ia-in-view.htmlRove!!!
fredk
Jan 21 2010, 04:17 PM
As ngunn said, Conception is about a metre or so higher than here, so we should have a better view from there (at least if we can clamber up onto the rim). But I don't think we'll see more of Iazu than we have in the past (on sol 1987, eg, we had a great view).
What intrigues me most is whether we may start to see completely new features to the south and SW. There are some hills to the S-SSW, and Bopolu Crater to the SW. Both are farther than Iazu, but with the air clear I think geography will be the limiting factor.
Stu
Jan 21 2010, 04:41 PM
Quick reminder of just where we are...
Click to view attachmentI know I've stuck up for stopping and studying meteorites and rocks recently, and I always will, if one presents itself for our rover to investigate, but I'm enjoying the anticipation of seeing new things on the horizon too. It's an almost primal thing, isn't it? How many people here love being on ships just so they can stand outside, leaning against the railings, looking out to sea, waiting to glimpse a line of land on the horizon? Or go hill climbing, and aren't happy until they reach the summit and can see the next hill, and the one beyond that? As babies we fight and struggle to stand and see our new world from a couple of feetb higher. As kids we climb trees so we can look out over the park and see the houses beyond. Older, we seek out top floor restaurants to dine in, and pay to ride on big wheels, for the view. And that's what makes following the missions of Spirit and Oppy so exciting and exhilarating. We're all standing together on the deck of a virtual ship, sailing over the martian dune seas, looking out for the next wonder to appear on the horizon.
This is a golden time, my friends. A golden time.
charborob
Jan 21 2010, 04:45 PM
Well said, Stu.
Phil Stooke
Jan 21 2010, 04:48 PM
Our eager anticipators may find this interesting:
http://www.lpi.usra.edu/meetings/lpsc2010/pdf/2638.pdfIt includes a map of the projected way ahead, with contours - it can stand some enlargement, don't just view it at 100%. It seems that within 1 km or so Opportunity will crest the top of a local ridge and look out over a substantial downward slope. The views won't change at Conception, but they will only a few weeks after that.
Phil
Floyd
Jan 21 2010, 05:01 PM
Very good information. Thanks for the link Phil.
Stu
Jan 21 2010, 05:08 PM
That's quite a droolsome prospect Phil...!
Phil Stooke
Jan 21 2010, 05:15 PM
Just try not to dribble on me!
Phil
Tesheiner
Jan 21 2010, 05:29 PM
Hey! That's a really good piece of info. Thanks Phil (and Tim53 too).
Also I have to say that each and every paragraph in section "Rover Localization" is familiar for me too.
NW71
Jan 21 2010, 06:09 PM
Evening All.
As a first post please don't savage me if I'm missing something obvious/ say something stupid/waste all your valuable time!
I just wondered, especially given Spirit's ongoing wheel problems, if we had any information on how Opportunity's RF wheel is behaving on the journey from Marquette Island to Conception?
Neil
Stu
Jan 21 2010, 06:20 PM
Welcome to UMSF, Neil! Hope you enjoy being here as much as we all do.
You've joined at an exciting time, that's for sure!
fredk
Jan 21 2010, 06:21 PM
Wow, that's a great find, Phil! It does look like we may have a "heck of a view" in another km or so. Hopefully we'll get a nice panorama to the south, including several Endurance-to-Victoria class craters in various stages of erosion, as well as the west rim of Endeavour. It's good to see "mini-Endurance" on the proposed route as well.
fredk
Jan 21 2010, 06:48 PM
Looking at that map reminds me of an odd Victoria-sized crater to our south. The crater shares the cape-and-bay structure of Victoria, but what's odd about it is that it's quite elliptical. When I first saw it, I thought there was some mapping projection problem that distorted it from circular to elliptical. But looking at the map from
this post for example, you can see other craters nearby that are circular. Here's a crop:
Click to view attachmentI guess it could be two overlapping craters, but maybe more likely is that the bays have eroded more deeply in some directions than in others.
Marz
Jan 21 2010, 07:00 PM
Thanks, Phil. It'd be nice to get our hands on that topo map.
A few interesting quotes:
-- "The situation will start to improve within the next 2 kilometers, however, as Opportunity begins a descent down an 80m slope toward Endeavour crater, much of it containing broad outcrop exposures." It'll be exciting to see what changes occur as we go down slope, presumably where less deflation has occured so the bedrock might exhibit clearer indications of what conditions were like as it was deposited.
-- "[gravel pile] origin and preservation in isolated patches is as yet unknown, so future visits to these features, identified along the path ahead, are planned." I know we've speculated on what these piles are before; is there a summary of prevailing ideas?
SFJCody
Jan 21 2010, 08:24 PM
I've been looking at the map contained in the pdf and I'm not sure but I think it might contain some kind of misalignment. If you look east of 'mini-Endurance' to the jagged black line where two images are spliced together you see the same exposure of Meridiani bedrock on each side of the image seam about 400m apart.
Tesheiner
Jan 21 2010, 08:46 PM
This paper is a gem!
QUOTE (NW71 @ Jan 21 2010, 07:09 PM)
I just wondered, especially given Spirit's ongoing wheel problems, if we had any information on how Opportunity's RF wheel is behaving on the journey from Marquette Island to Conception?
Welcome to UMSF.
I don't remember any comment about how the RF wheel is behaving but stay tuned. Today is Thursday and it's when a status report is usually posted on the official MER web page.
Tesheiner
Jan 21 2010, 08:57 PM
... and the pictures from today's drive (sol 2131) are on the net!
http://qt.exploratorium.edu/mars/opportuni...cam/2010-01-21/
Egon
Jan 21 2010, 09:34 PM
Sorry if my post is a bit offtopic, but I don't know where to write it. It's my first post anyway, I don't speak a perfect english, so please, be comprehensive.
I know that people from NASA is looking for names of ships that made expeditions to name rocks and features on Mars, some of them scientific, in XVI - XVIII century. There is a scientific spanish expedition that took place in the XVIII century. Nobody has translated it to english in the wikipedia as a single article, but you can find
some information here, and in the spanish
article here (Malaspina Expedition). The frigates were called "Atrevida" and "Descubierta" ("Daring" and "Discovered"). I know that is not very known outside from Spain, so I wanted to tell it here.
I am sorry if I have made something wrong, it was not my intention. But I wanted to give you this idea. I read you since 3 or 4 years, but I don't have anything interesting to say here, I only learn from you.
Bye from Spain and I keep reading you.
Stu
Jan 21 2010, 09:39 PM
Some interesting info about why Marquette Island was studied so long by Oppy...
http://www.nasa.gov/mission_pages/mer/news/mer20100121.html
NW71
Jan 21 2010, 10:21 PM
fredk
Jan 21 2010, 10:59 PM
QUOTE (SFJCody @ Jan 21 2010, 09:24 PM)
I've been looking at the map contained in the pdf and I'm not sure but I think it might contain some kind of misalignment.
Good eye! You're right about that, as you can clearly see if you compare that map with the one I just refered to, that's in
this post.About tosol's drive: I wonder why it was so short, considering that there's plenty of pavement between us and Conception:
http://qt.exploratorium.edu/mars/opportuni...PWP0683R0M1.JPG
Stu
Jan 22 2010, 06:43 AM
One more drive and we're there...
Click to view attachmentI hope someone on the MER team has a "Big Book of Names For Big Martian Rocks", 'cos they're gonna need it after tomorrow...
Click to view attachmentClick to view attachment
volcanopele
Jan 22 2010, 06:55 AM
QUOTE (Stu @ Jan 21 2010, 02:39 PM)
Some interesting info about why Marquette Island was studied so long by Oppy...
http://www.nasa.gov/mission_pages/mer/news/mer20100121.htmlVery cool stuff. Minor correction though, basalt is a rock type, not a composition. This analysis shows that Marquette Island is a mafic igneous rock that based on its very coarse grain size, formed deep below ground. This make Marquette Island a chunk of gabbro, not basalt. I know, I know, pedantic...
Tesheiner
Jan 22 2010, 06:56 AM
Mmm, I think the whole Yazu crater is becoming visible in this pancam:
http://qt.exploratorium.edu/mars/opportuni...PWP2363L6M1.JPG
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