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Phil Stooke
LRO at least is good for 7 or 8 years - I know nothing about Odyssey.

Phil
vikingmars
QUOTE (ngunn @ Feb 4 2015, 08:58 PM) *
Another glimpse of Miyamoto from sol 3921: It's actually visible at the far right of Jan's latest Pancam panorama. (Not everyone's priority I know, but it's a lonely mountain on Mars and somebody has to love it.) I'm hopeful that as we descend towards the next crater target we may at last get a pancam view of Bopolu to 'complete the set' of distant features visible from Cape Tribulation.

Thanks Ngunn.
When you process a little bit, here is the viewing interpretation to the hills at center :
- the small (and darker) hills in front of Myamoto's ejecta are 60 km away from us ;
- the main hills behind (that are barely visible in unprocessed data) are part of the far extensions of Myamoto's ejecta and are 85 km from us...

Dear Phil (our Cartographer-in-Chief), any more comments ? smile.gif
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ngunn
That's an amazingly clear version - a big thanks for posting it. What did you do? Stack a load of images? Whatever it was I think it would be worth trying on the Navcams too. Miyamoto is just perceptible in some of those, and of course they extend farther west to include Bopolu also.

For Bopolu I think we may soon be able to do long baseline 3D with the other 'eye' at Concepcion.
vikingmars
QUOTE (ngunn @ Feb 11 2015, 12:38 PM) *
That's an amazingly clear version - a big thanks for posting it. What did you do? Stack a load of images? Whatever it was I think it would be worth trying on the Navcams too. Miyamoto is just perceptible in some of those, and of course they extend farther west to include Bopolu also.

Thanks a lot Ngunn. Have you seen Bopolu in recent images ? I thought it was not to be easily visible from our vantage point. I remember that it rose quickly above the horizon and popped out Sol 2178 to be best seen on Sol 2195. But when we started our trek towards the east, it disappeared very quickly also...
ngunn
I think so. Isn't that it on the left here, for example? http://qt.exploratorium.edu/mars/opportuni...BXP1828R0M1.JPG
vikingmars
QUOTE (ngunn @ Feb 11 2015, 01:13 PM) *
I think so. Isn't that it on the left here, for example? [url="http://qt.exploratorium.edu/mars/opportunity/navcam/2015-01-

Yes indeed ! Thanks a lot Ngunn, you spotted it !
Here below, please find a quick processing with a comparison with Sol 2195 image (top) showing Bopolu crater smile.gif
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ngunn
Nice work. smile.gif I think it's also visible on the right in these images from yesterday which extend over to Miyamoto too. http://qt.exploratorium.edu/mars/opportuni...UBP0705R0M1.JPG
vikingmars
QUOTE (ngunn @ Feb 11 2015, 02:31 PM) *
Nice work. smile.gif I think it's also visible on the right in these images from yesterday which extend over to Miyamoto too.

Yes this is it ! Thanks a lot Ngunn smile.gif
elakdawalla
QUOTE (vjkane @ Feb 5 2015, 04:50 PM) *
I have this vague recollection that Odyssey is expected to run out of fuel sometime in the next couple of years. Does anyone here know for sure?

As of 2013: Conservative use of Odyssey's remaining fuel should allow it to maintain operations until around 2020. However, one of its four reaction wheels failed in 2012. If a second reaction wheel fails, it will have to transition to thruster-only attitude control, which will burn fuel at a much more rapid rate, resulting in a remaining mission lifetime of 1 to 3 years.
ngunn
There's another faint feature visible at the extreme left here (left of charborob's hill) - http://qt.exploratorium.edu/mars/opportuni...UBP2361R2M1.JPG

I think that's likely to be the ridge that ends under the t of Miyamoto in the colour map in post 17 - http://www.unmannedspaceflight.com/index.p...st&p=216406 Charborob's hill is in James Canvin's red circle there.
ngunn
An attempt at bringing out the faint feature noted in previous post:
stevesliva
The discussion of Opportunity in 2016 got me wondering when winter is, and it looks like it's the final two months of 2015 and first four of 2016, according to the nice timeline by moreInput here:
http://www.unmannedspaceflight.com/index.p...mp;#entry217352

I was wondering about finding a haven if necessary, and Doppler Radio campaigns perhaps scrounging up some funds for the year.
monty python
Doesn't marathon valley run more or less east west, so if it stayed on one side of the valley you would get a good winter tilt?
vikingmars
QUOTE (ngunn @ Feb 12 2015, 11:23 PM) *
An attempt at bringing out the faint feature noted in previous post:

WOW ! Thanks a lot Ngunn : how nice ! smile.gif
ngunn
Now that we have such good views to the SSW here is a link back to the orbital images of Miyamoto rim and surrounding area originally posted by Doug (and isn't it great that those links still work, unlike so many from a few years ago): http://www.unmannedspaceflight.com/index.p...st&p=157420

You can see charborob's hill there, among the rest. I'm still not exactly sure where the 'Mule Ears' are located in the orbital images, nor if they are identical with the two highest peaks of Miyamoto visible now, though that seems pretty likely. Whether or not we are treated to a pancam view of Bopolu on the way, we will surely lose the distant horizon soon as the geologists get down to business with the smectites in the valley.
ngunn
There are some interesting features out across the plains here. I haven't checked the azimuths but I'm wondering if this is our best view so far of the Victoria-twin crater off to our southwest: http://qt.exploratorium.edu/mars/opportuni...ZEP2372L2M1.JPG

Also there's something on the horizon there, possibly Bopolu.
ngunn
Definitely Bopolu. I'm looking on a different monitor this morning and it shows up very clearly on this L7.
http://qt.exploratorium.edu/mars/opportuni...ZEP2372L7M1.JPG
It has a longer 'tail' extending off to the left than I was expecting.
ngunn
Bopolu again, though still not the rightmost part: http://qt.exploratorium.edu/mars/opportuni...29P2374L2M1.JPG

Here is a list (left to right) of all the distant features visible from Cape Tribulation. I hope it's complete, if not please add. (I will insert some relevant post numbers from this thread as edits.)

1/ Iazu, including the prominent northern bluff, nice phil-o-vision from fredk in post 33
2/ Crater south of Iazu, noted by Phil Stooke, post 59
3/ 't-ridge' left of charborob's hill, posts 110/111
4/ 'charborob's hill', noted by charborob and identified by James Canvin, posts 16 and 20
5/ Miyamoto rim, with two nearer hills in front, post 102 for the clearest view - also includes features 4 and 6
6/ Another nearer hill a few degrees to the right of Miyamoto
7/ Bopolu, with 'Victoria-twin' crater in front, posts 4 and 117
8/ '500m crater at 14Km' identified by James Canvin, post 4

We have had clear Pancam views of all of these features except for the left end of 3 (terrain obstruction) and the right end of 7 (no imaging yet).

I still hope that James will do another of his excellent reverse polar views showing all this.
jamescanvin
QUOTE (ngunn @ Mar 6 2015, 09:42 AM) *
I still hope that James will do another of his excellent reverse polar views showing all this.


It's on my list of things to looks at smile.gif (along with a near infinite number of other things!)
ngunn
Well, I don't know why these full and part frame views were acquired but it almost seems that someone wanted to complete the distant horizon survey. smile.gif Here is Bopolu complete to it's rightmost flank:
http://qt.exploratorium.edu/mars/opportuni...29P2377L7M1.JPG

And this looks very much like the '500m crater at 14 km':
http://qt.exploratorium.edu/mars/opportuni...29P2377L7M1.JPG

Quote James - 'It's on my list of things' - we can ask no more. (It's hardly urgent.)
ngunn
Here is Larry Crumpler's oblique view of the future with distant features 1-7 from post 118 annotated in red:
vikingmars
Some distant features can be seen again in the latest Opportunity Sol 4686 images smile.gif
I think that we see a glimpse of Iazu at left and the protruding hills from Miyamoto Crater at right.
https://mars.nasa.gov/mer/gallery/all/1/p/4...GTP2387L2M1.JPG
Here below are two quick processings :
1) A first process :
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2) And, if you look very, very carefully on the picture hereabove we can barely see around the Myamoto hills a ghostly higher feature much farther away from the crater itself.
Here is a second processing (as a strip picture showing the horizon only) :
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But, maybe that our Cartographer-in-Chief, Phil Stooke, has a clearer (and wiser) view wink.gif
ngunn
Yes, I noted the visibility of 'charborob's hill' (my feature 4) here: http://www.unmannedspaceflight.com/index.p...st&p=235123

But now since you are finding more, and while we are still just about on Cape Tribulation, it's a good idea to revisit this thread. I don't have a good grasp of what is what among the fainter features yet. Some of them may look different from this lower and more southerly location compared with the views from near the summit.
vikingmars
QUOTE (ngunn @ Mar 31 2017, 04:36 PM) *
Yes, I noted the visibility of 'charborob's hill' (my feature 4)
But now since you are finding more, and while we are still just about on Cape Tribulation, it's a good idea to revisit this thread. I don't have a good grasp of what is what among the fainter features yet. Some of them may look different from this lower and more southerly location compared with the views from near the summit.


Good idea ! Thanks ngunn smile.gif
fredk
QUOTE (vikingmars @ Mar 31 2017, 02:41 PM) *
I think that we see a glimpse of Iazu at left and the protruding hills from Miyamoto Crater at right.

I'm not sure about the other bumps but that's definitely not Iazu. We've had a good view of Iazu for a while now, and it's more to the S-SSE (left of that frame). You can see Iazu start to come into view on the far left horizon in this frame:
http://qt.exploratorium.edu/mars/opportuni...2M1.JPG?sol4686
And more of Iazu is at the horizon in this view:
http://qt.exploratorium.edu/mars/opportuni...2M1.JPG?sol4686
Phil Stooke
A quick look suggests these identifications. I don't have time to look more closely right now.

Phil

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ngunn
Agreed. Compare posts 99 and 102, this thread.
vikingmars
Thanks a lot Phil for your expertise smile.gif
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