phase4
Aug 7 2009, 09:08 AM
Here's a rough composition of 8 pictures.
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The Singing Badger
Aug 7 2009, 06:14 PM
QUOTE (phase4 @ Aug 7 2009, 09:08 AM)
Here's a rough composition of 8 pictures.
That is quite simply jaw-dropping.
Makes me long for an X-wing Fighter or suchlike, to go flying among those bizarre orbiting rockpiles.
chemman
Aug 7 2009, 07:19 PM
New Cassini ring images released by CICLOPS
ADMIN - Don't copy and paste an entire press release - just link to it.
Sorry about that, I'll keep that in mind for the future.
Gsnorgathon
Aug 7 2009, 11:28 PM
Fascinating stuff!
As a chemist I have to say if I saw an image like from a reaction set up, I'd conclude we were growing crystals at an interface
ugordan
Aug 8 2009, 08:16 PM
Saturn on August 5th and a large enhancement:
Click to view attachmentClick to view attachmentLooks like Saturn's night side is finally actually
dark. I believe the speck above is Enceladus.
jasedm
Aug 8 2009, 09:34 PM
QUOTE (alan @ Aug 5 2009, 05:51 AM)
Well spotted Alan! this has now been officially confirmed as a ~400m moonlet orbiting just above the ring plane
see here
Bjorn Jonsson
Aug 9 2009, 03:18 AM
Having seen the recent WAC images showing Saturn and the rings where the brightness of the rings varies in the radial direction and where the brightness is at maximum 'in front of' Saturn's dayside I decided to determine the approximate Saturnshine distribution and intensity on the rings since it currently dominates due to the low solar elevation angle.
This is an unprocessed rendering showing the results. The Saturn/rings brightness ratio is highly approximate (the rings are probably too bright). In contrast, the light distribution and relative intensity within the ringsystem should be fairly accurate:
Click to view attachmentAnd a rendering processed to show the rings more clearly:
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ElkGroveDan
Aug 9 2009, 03:41 AM
Absolutely brilliant, Bjorn.
centsworth_II
Aug 9 2009, 03:38 PM
I get a kick out of the kick you guys are getting from the new ring revelations. Can't wait to see what you think of this:
Like the fist of an angry godClick to view attachment
scalbers
Aug 9 2009, 11:07 PM
The ring illumination effect shown in Bjorn's post is visible in this raw image:
http://saturn.jpl.nasa.gov/photos/raw/rawi...?imageID=197996Click to view attachmentThe F-ring looks a bit brighter though, perhaps due to forward scattering of sunlight by smaller particles?
PFK
Aug 12 2009, 12:30 AM
QUOTE (ElkGroveDan @ Aug 9 2009, 04:41 AM)
Absolutely brilliant, Bjorn.
Agreed!!
And, apologies, but I really couldn't resist tinkering with it given it evokes the vinyl format of one of my first childhood encounters with the planets many, many moons ago
Click to view attachment
tedstryk
Aug 12 2009, 11:40 AM
The ring plane crossing has of course occurred. I am looking forward to seeing what Cassini saw, but in the mean time, here is an amateur view (very impressive given the poor location of Saturn)
http://alpo-j.asahikawa-med.ac.jp/kk09/s090810z.htm
john_s
Aug 12 2009, 01:39 PM
There's one
August 10th raw NAC image, from the day before ring plane crossing, posted so far. I don't have any inside scoop on what it shows, but it appears to be a highly foreshortened upside-down image of the south side of the rings, which were then still in daylight, centered on the point where the D ring exits Saturn's shadow but including the main rings out to the Cassini division. The remarkable thing about it is how bright the D-ring is compared to the rest of the rings- being optically thin it is not hiding in its own shadow, unlike the rest of the ring system.
John
Rob Pinnegar
Aug 12 2009, 04:36 PM
Some of the ringlets of the D ring also have a bit of orbital inclination. Perhaps this is currently helping to keep them out of the shadow of the main rings?
john_s
Aug 12 2009, 05:37 PM
Lots of ring-plane crossing ring images from August 10 and 11 are now posted. Many are difficult to figure out, though
here is what appears to be the outer B-ring and Cassini division- part of a scan of the entire ring ansa. The images are
very dark, as you might expect.
John
Gsnorgathon
Aug 12 2009, 09:44 PM
Based on what I've seen so far, the rings seem very flat. I'd expected to see maybe a bit of warping, but it appears not. I'd also expected more "mooms," but there don't appear to be many of those, either.
CAP-Team
Aug 12 2009, 09:50 PM
Since the rings are very flat, I'm really curious how long the actual equinox would take.
scalbers
Aug 12 2009, 10:22 PM
I think on the basis of the apparent solar diameter and the rate of change of solar declination we're talking about a day or two.
Rob Pinnegar
Aug 12 2009, 10:32 PM
I did a back-of-the-envelope calculation the other day and came up with a change of inclination of about 0.015 degrees per day. The diameter of the Sun is around 0.05 degrees as seen from Saturn, so it's a few days in total.
volcanopele
Aug 13 2009, 12:36 AM
The images for the Saturn mosaic taken earlier today have hit the ground. They are not up on the JPL raw images page, but some have been posted on the Cassini Imaging team website:
http://ciclops.org/view_event/113/Equinox_Arrives
PDP8E
Aug 13 2009, 01:55 AM
This is the Cassini equinox image referenced in volcanopele's post above (raw image 1)
I lightly rinsed it to bring out the contrast and the dark rings were hiding in the dark region in the upper left!
...and that razor of a shadow!
Click to view attachmenthere is a thumbnail of the original
Click to view attachmentexciting times!
tedstryk
Aug 13 2009, 02:54 PM
One exciting thing is that currently and for the next few years, we are passing through the same Saturnian seasons that were studied by the Voyagers and Pioneer 11. Should make for some interesting comparisons.
vexgizmo
Aug 14 2009, 11:54 PM
QUOTE (Rob Pinnegar @ Aug 12 2009, 03:32 PM)
I did a back-of-the-envelope calculation the other day and came up with a change of inclination of about 0.015 degrees per day. The diameter of the Sun is around 0.05 degrees as seen from Saturn, so it's a few days in total.
You got it right. From a Cassini friend: The entire transit spanned from AUG 09 04:00:00 UTC to AUG 12 21:00:00 UTC, with the Sun's center crossing at AUG 11 00:41:06 UTC.
Floyd
Aug 16 2009, 11:58 PM
Here is an interesting shot, N00140443.jpg, which shows a diagonal bright ridge which is angled slightly relative to the normal ring pattern. Positioned to left of middle of shot. Could it be a elongated type of propeller? The previous shot also shows this ridge,
N00140442.jpg, so I don't think it is an artifact. Images are from August 13th.
nprev
Aug 17 2009, 01:06 AM
Bizarre. A spiral density wave?
ElkGroveDan
Aug 17 2009, 02:55 AM
QUOTE (Floyd @ Aug 16 2009, 04:58 PM)
Here is an interesting shot, N00140443.jpg, which shows a diagonal bright ridge which is angled slightly relative to the normal ring pattern.
One geometric arrangement that would account for this seeming diagonal would be a ringlet that extends out in a plane perpendicular to the main ring plain, i.e it would be a ringlet that is "taller" than the others. What might cause it? Perhaps a collision or break up of a small body in recent history, such that there hasn't been time for all the debris to settle back down to the common plane that the rest of the ringlets orbit in.
To demonstrate this, cut a long strip of paper and tape it in a loop and set it down on an old phonograph record. Bring your view down to an angle slightly just above the the plane of the record. You will notice that the upper edge of the paper to the right and left of your straight-on view seems to cross the record grooves at an angle like the image above.
tasp
Aug 17 2009, 04:19 AM
Just curious, but we have 2 data points for objects hitting Jupiter and we also know Jupiter's area and mass. Can we extrapolate a rate for objects of a given size to penetrate the Saturnian ring plane ?? And any idea how large an object it would take to make a visible 'ding' ( and I figure it depends on the depth of the ring where it hits), and I assume the math for how fast differential rotation would streak out the blem is easy (but still beyond my ken).
Hungry4info
Aug 17 2009, 04:50 AM
I doubt anything statistically significant can be determined from just two data points.
dilo
Aug 17 2009, 06:38 AM
Look at how dark is edge-illuminated A ring, compared to more diffuse F ring!
Click to view attachment(N00140317 and 319 joined)
nprev
Aug 17 2009, 06:45 AM
Wow, yeah, really! Sure looks like the F-ring shepards scatter a lot more of that ring's material in the vertical plane. I'm sort of surprised that at least the extreme outer rim of the A-ring isn't a bit more luminous in this view.
Greg Hullender
Aug 17 2009, 01:17 PM
QUOTE (Hungry4info @ Aug 16 2009, 08:50 PM)
I doubt anything statistically significant can be determined from just two data points.
On the contrary, if we assume the two events were independent and identically distributed, having two of them so close together tells us quite a bit. We can be fairly confident that these events occur at a rate of at least a few per century -- we'd definitely be surprised if they averaged less than one per 1,000 years and yet we somehow saw two so close together.
Of course, that doesn't tell us anything about how often rocks hit
Saturn . . .
--Greg
ugordan
Aug 17 2009, 10:28 PM
Ring shot from August 15 with horrendous compression artifacts, two moons (I'm guessing Janus and Epimetheus) and a star streak:
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elakdawalla
Aug 17 2009, 10:37 PM
Still pretty awesome. Goooood moooorning, all of you who live on the north side of the rings!
nprev
Aug 17 2009, 10:49 PM
Gordan, "horrendous" to you is a masterpiece to others.
Gorgeous!
volcanopele
Aug 18 2009, 01:51 AM
The moon on the left is Epimetheus, the one on the right is Janus. The star streak is HD 171391, a 5 magnitude star in Scutum.
Click to view attachment
tedstryk
Aug 18 2009, 04:31 AM
Ugordan: Beautiful!
As far as impacts, we have to remember that this recent fragment, while another data point, isn't exactly another SL-9...It is like one fairly large fragment. At any rate, while there might be some disruption, it would take something much larger than SL-9 to seriously alter the rings long term.
ngunn
Aug 20 2009, 01:02 PM
Juramike
Aug 20 2009, 09:39 PM
I don't know how long this effect will last, but I find this page incredibly pretty:
http://saturn.jpl.nasa.gov/photos/raw/inde...storedQ=2127676
Astro0
Aug 20 2009, 11:59 PM
I thought that this
sequence was nice.
Click to view attachmentTried to keep the rings stable in the animation, so the edge of Saturn seems to jump around with the over exposure flaring, but you get the idea. Any idea which moons are seen here?
volcanopele
Aug 21 2009, 12:10 AM
'tis Tethys at bottom left.
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Juramike
Aug 21 2009, 01:19 AM
Juramike
Aug 21 2009, 03:50 AM
Animation taken of chunks in Saturn's rings and their shadows rotating along. These were taken August 19, 2009 from a distance of 2.3 million km.
Click to view attachment(GIF-click to animate)
This is from series N00141115-N00141124.jpg
(The astute observer will note a star crossing behind the bright outer F ring in the lower left corner. Might need to look at the full res version to see it.)
A full resolution version is here (2.4 Mb):
http://www.flickr.com/photos/31678681@N07/3841882278/ (click on original size to view animation)
-Mike
Juramike
Aug 21 2009, 04:27 AM
Zoom of the animated GIF above. I think the chunks are being preturbed by Daphnis in the Keeler gap. You can see the ring shadows thrown across the A ring by the perturbed material.
Click to view attachment(GIF -click to animate)
-Mike
dilo
Aug 22 2009, 09:33 AM
QUOTE (ngunn @ Aug 20 2009, 01:02 PM)
Animation of slides from 141155 to 161, cropped and contrast enhanced:
Click to view attachmentClearly, also in this case there is a gravitational trig at a precise longitude for these perturbations... These shadows in the B ring vaguely recall spokes, which appear near equinox too!
ngunn
Sep 25 2009, 08:49 AM
ElkGroveDan
Sep 25 2009, 01:42 PM
That's a really good slide show. Thanks. I wish I could have heard the talk that went with it.
brellis
Sep 25 2009, 02:58 PM
I've been curious about what details Northern Exposure might reveal, and I'm really looking forward to the WOW factor of a compilation of flybys before and after equinox.
ngunn
Sep 25 2009, 03:02 PM
QUOTE (ElkGroveDan @ Sep 25 2009, 02:42 PM)
I wish I could have heard the talk that went with it.
You will be able to when they post the audio and transcript here - usualy within a few weeks:
http://saturn.jpl.nasa.gov/video/products/...aProductsCharm/EDIT - and if the date there's correct the presentation will not happen live until next Tuesday.
mchan
Sep 26 2009, 03:23 AM
The slides on unwinding the ripples in the C and D rings to some event in spring 1984 were very interesting. I had not seen this discussed before.
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