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Stu
I'm a big fan of the THEMIS images too, there are some real gems there. I've lost count of the number of times I've stopped what I was supposed to be doing here on my PC and gone back to the recently-released image of Aram Chaos (one of my favourite places on Mars) to just roam around it. smile.gif
Nirgal
Very good discussion here ... love those detail image crops !
smile.gif

Here is another of those "jagged-shadow"-shots (detail crop, tone map enhanced, added (false) colors and
virtual airplane shadow as a 50 meter scale ...

original image link:
PSP_001337_1675
lyford
QUOTE (mcaplinger @ Dec 18 2007, 08:18 AM) *
TTHEMIS still releases an image every week. Does anyone here look at them?

Not EVERY week, but yes, I do click when I get Ron Baalke's email. smile.gif
gndonald
I just looked at the image OWW posted and the two 'zoom-ins' that followed. All I can say is WOW!

They are just incredible, you expect to see camels and I swear if something had walked there we'd be able to see the footprints...

Oh for a faster connection...
OWW
QUOTE (mcaplinger @ Dec 19 2007, 06:23 AM) *
I'll also point out that the CTX PDS volumes are pretty good; there's a cumindex.tab that has text lines describing each image on every volume, and there's a pre-processed JPEG browse image for each image on the volume.

Thanks. That cumindex.tab file is very helpful for finding the cool places. The line describing the image I posted seems to be incorrect though. It says "Proctor Crater dunes", but actually it's the crater to the east of Proctor. Don't know its name.
Also, all CTX images are mirrored/flipped and brighter in the middle. What's up with that?

QUOTE (mcaplinger @ Dec 19 2007, 05:17 AM) *
I'll make you all an offer: there are plenty of people on this forum who can process the raw CTX images just as well as we can. Find some images you consider worth sharing from the current released PDS data, process and format them as you like, and I'll link to them from my own page on the MSSS web site and credit you accordingly. Do it soon and maybe we can get a CTX image on Emily's best of the year list, which would make me very happy.

Interesting. Well, plenty of people on this forum, bring it on! smile.gif Personally, I think credits for a cut/paste/stretch job is a bit over the top though, but that's just me.
OWW
QUOTE (gndonald @ Dec 20 2007, 01:52 PM) *
I just looked at the image OWW posted and the two 'zoom-ins' that followed.

Ehhh, I should point out that my CTX-cutout was 50% of full-resolution. N1ckdrake's 'zooms' are not from the same CTX image but from a HiRise image... for those that hadn't noticed this already. rolleyes.gif
mcaplinger
QUOTE (OWW @ Dec 20 2007, 01:10 PM) *
Also, all CTX images are mirrored/flipped and brighter in the middle. What's up with that?

That's the way they come out of the camera; it's an artifact of the relatively wide angle CTX telescope. There's data on the volumes with all the correction coefficients.

Here's a pretty CTX image I found just by looking at the PDS volumes. It's one of those cracks to the west of Elysium Mons. This is just a small subsection downsampled 2x. For the full impact of CTX, you really need to make mosaics.

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hendric
Bjorn,
Any chance you could add support for these calibration files to IMG2PNG? I tried it on a data batch, and it looked to me like it wasn't flat-fielding or decompanding. I'll write my own app after the holidays if you don't have time.
GuyMac
QUOTE (Stu @ Dec 17 2007, 04:38 PM) *
Can I ask something that's been on my mind for a while? Is anyone else out there wondering why the good folks behind the MRO mission aren't making more of its images? Or taking... oh jeez, how do I put this without sounding ungrateful... more exciting, more stimulating images?


Hi Stu, HiRISE now has around 1500 color images released, something like a third of a Terapixel in RGB color. I've only looked at a small fraction, but it is mind-blowing. I had my desktop display set to show a random chunk from a random each, updated every two minutes, but had to turn it off, because so frequently I was stopping to copy the image into a favorites folder and not getting any work done. :-)

We worked hard to get the color processing automated (better late than never!) and further improvements are in the works (stretches that saturate less pixels, better color band co-registration). There had been great interest in this data on this forum early on!
Shaka
QUOTE (GuyMac @ Dec 21 2007, 07:51 AM) *
I had my desktop display set to show a random chunk from a random each, updated every two minutes, but had to turn it off,

Aaaarrrgghhhhh! (...turns chartreuse with envy...)
How big a bribe would it take to get you to turn it back on and feed it through the web?
(I'd be happy to knit you a monitor cozy, so you wouldn't be distracted... ph34r.gif )
Stu
Thanks for the feedback GuyMac smile.gif I do realise how hard you've all worked, and appreciate all your efforts. To stress again, no criticism was intended. I'm off to my local library tomorrow - if this ***** cold lifts!!! aCHOO!!! - to sit at one of their broadband PCs for a couple of hours and do some exploring. smile.gif
mcaplinger
Not a lot of response to my CTX challenge yet. Maybe you guys are waiting to surprise me for Christmas.

Here's a nice CTX image of White Rock: P03_002033_1720_XI_08S334W_070101 downsampled by 4.
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lyford
QUOTE (mcaplinger @ Dec 23 2007, 09:47 AM) *
Not a lot of response to my CTX challenge yet. Maybe you guys are waiting to surprise me for Christmas.

Mike, given the "ancient" hardware I find myself currently using, I would need a Christmas surprise of my own to do any imaging magic these days. smile.gif (Though come Macworld in January, I may be able to step up to the plate....)
Stu
Not a CTX image Mike, sorry, but I did have a lot of fun in the library this morning, taking advantage of their broadband connection to have a leisurely stroll around the MRO galleries... made a few crops and colourisations...

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Was looking forward to using the IAS viewer but it wouldn't connect... grrr... oh well, next time... smile.gif
OWW
Nice "White rock" image. These layered mounds always look spectacular. Here's another one.

CTX image P03_002261_1744_XN_05S079W: Light-toned mound in east Tithonium Chasma
Nirgal
QUOTE (Stu @ Dec 23 2007, 07:41 PM) *
Not a CTX image Mike, sorry, but I did have a lot of fun in the library this morning, taking advantage of their broadband connection to have a leisurely stroll around the MRO galleries... made a few crops and colourisations...


Good work, Stu !
I especially like the "mesa top" mountain at the bottom of the image.
do you have a link to the original PSP image ID ?
GuyMac
QUOTE (Stu @ Dec 18 2007, 02:54 AM) *
I'm sure the team have images of their own favourite places, screen-grabs of "wow!" features that impressed them. We and the public would enjoy seeing those too, alongside the BIG images that are wonderful in their own right. smile.gif


That's really a good point, and I hope we can find some way to facilitate it (by extended mission???). The tools aren't quite up to the vision. I want to be able to select a region within a JP2 viewer application, be able to link to that particular view and resolution, associate that link with tags aka keywords, with an online application to search through the tags, see the most popular, etc, etc. The fallback might be to save many images & upload each to a forum. ;-)
mcaplinger
QUOTE (Nirgal @ Dec 23 2007, 12:05 PM) *
I especially like the "mesa top" mountain at the bottom of the image.

It's a neat image, but like most of the MRO data, to the layman at least it's just an incremental improvement over MOC stuff like
http://www.msss.com/mars_images/moc/E01_E0...2002/meridiani/
which I suspect is why it's hard to come up with an MRO image that really seems revolutionary.
djellison
QUOTE (mcaplinger @ Dec 24 2007, 12:08 AM) *
an MRO image that really seems revolutionary.


Here's me thinking that 2 gigapixels in a single swath was a revolution in itself.

I"m having a play with CTX @ Gusev - there's quite a few overlapping images there.

Doug
mcaplinger
QUOTE (djellison @ Dec 23 2007, 04:14 PM) *
Here's me thinking that 2 gigapixels in a single swath was a revolution in itself.

I'd argue that a considerably smaller swath than HiRISE's at the same resolution would have produced much the same science. It's hard to quantify the benefits of a wider FOV, especially with the 6-meter context provided by CTX.

That said, to be fair CTX is for all intents and purposes mostly an incremental improvement on MOC. The images are 10x wider and of comparable resolution to most MOC images, the buffer is much larger, and the SNR is a few times better, so we cover a lot more ground at better quality on average than MOC did, but I don't think this difference is perceptible to most people.

I think the jury is still out on what the major scientific results of MRO will be.
Stu
QUOTE (Nirgal @ Dec 23 2007, 08:05 PM) *
Good work, Stu !
I especially like the "mesa top" mountain at the bottom of the image.
do you have a link to the original PSP image ID ?


Thanks Nirgal, really appreciate that, especially as you're one of the people who inspired me to have a go at making images like that. smile.gif

The PSP ID is: PSP_002839_1825

Another area that caught my eye...

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What can I say? I'm a mesa fan! smile.gif Looks like Mars' very own "Monument Valley" down there... imagine the pics a rover would send back from here, as it rolled along with the theme from "The Big Country" playing in the background... biggrin.gif
n1ckdrake
Rabe Crater CTX: P05_002890_1342_XI_45S326W

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slinted
Wow n1ckdrake, that's a spectacular choice!
djellison
I could have sworn I saw some map projected CTX images on the PDS somewhere....or am I going nuts - I can't find them now.

Doug
mcaplinger
QUOTE (djellison @ Dec 24 2007, 02:29 PM) *
I could have sworn I saw some map projected CTX images on the PDS somewhere....

MSL landing site candidates are map-projected. I can't think of any others.

http://marsoweb.nas.nasa.gov/landingsites/msl/ctx/
n1ckdrake
Slope streaks in Arabia Terra - CTX: P06_003285_1930

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mcaplinger
QUOTE (n1ckdrake @ Dec 25 2007, 09:28 AM) *
Slope streaks in Arabia Terra...

Wow. Cool image! I wonder what's going on with the very linear terminus to the flow in the upper left corner?

Even though I designed a large part of CTX, I haven't looked at 1% of the data from it. From these images, it's doing everything I hoped it would. Thanks for finding them!

Merry Christmas everybody!
nprev
blink.gif ...all I can think of is some sort of deep fracture, which drained them rather rapidly.

And actually, this begs a question: Why don't we see diffusion features at the end of these things, like deltas? Does the putative water evaporate and/or freeze so quickly that they never get to form? The abrupt terminations are odd in themselves...
mcaplinger
QUOTE (nprev @ Dec 25 2007, 11:02 AM) *
Does the putative water evaporate and/or freeze so quickly that they never get to form?

I'd have characterized these as dry slope streaks, no water involved. But that terminus seems weird. Only thing I could think of is some topography below the limit of resolution (some kind of a ridge or dike maybe.)
dvandorn
I'm with Mike, here, Nick. These look a lot like dust slope streaks, not like the putative water-carved gullies seen elsewhere. You see these slope streaks all over on Mars, in places where liquid water could not possibly exist (i.e., high on the slopes of the Tharsis volcanoes) and they don't seem to share the V-cut morphologies of the gullies.

-the other Doug
nprev
Okay, I'm with you guys now; been thinking in terms of the wet model. This feature seems to provide considerable evidence for the dry model.
Nirgal
QUOTE (n1ckdrake @ Dec 24 2007, 09:29 PM) *
Rabe Crater CTX: P05_002890_1342_XI_45S326W

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Thanks, n1ckdrake (and others), for sharing all those great detail view findings !!
smile.gif

Here's a hand colorized version of the Rabe Crater picture (unfortunately I have no time left for framing and caption this time ...)

Stu
ohmy.gif ohmy.gif ohmy.gif

Every time I see one of your images Nirgal I feel like Luke watching Yoda lift that X-Wing out of the swamp...

Humbled... smile.gif
Nirgal
QUOTE (Stu @ Jan 6 2008, 03:39 PM) *
ohmy.gif ohmy.gif ohmy.gif

Every time I see one of your images Nirgal I feel like Luke watching Yoda lift that X-Wing out of the swamp...

Humbled... smile.gif


thanks Stu, I'm embarassed by your praise that is really too much for my humble effort rolleyes.gif
So I hope no real (Jedi) Master is reading this *lol* wink.gif
n1ckdrake
unnecessary quoting removed

ohmy.gif Wow Nirgal, that picture is amazing! The amount of detail you applied is mind-blowing! Thanks for posting this awe-inspiring picture.
n1ckdrake
Crater in Coloe Fossae Region - CTX: P03_002348_2172

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hendric
n1ckdrake,
What are you using to calibrate and uncompress the raw pictures?
n1ckdrake
QUOTE (hendric @ Jan 10 2008, 03:51 PM) *
n1ckdrake,
What are you using to calibrate and uncompress the raw pictures?


Hello hendric. I currently use ImageJ or NASAView to access the raw data. For calibrating images I use Photoshop CS2. And I find Irfanview to be extremely useful as well.
TheChemist
n1ckdrake, I think that if you

a. change the caption of your latest crater image,
b. reduce the resolution, and
c. post it in the Paolo's Plunge thread at the Opportunity forum

you would have half the forum scratching their heads trying to explain what they see in this "weird RAT hole" smile.gif

Thanks for these gorgeous crater images you provide us.
ugordan
QUOTE (n1ckdrake @ Jan 11 2008, 06:06 AM) *
For calibrating images I use Photoshop CS2.

How do you calibrate with Photoshop?
Nirgal
Another "Alien Landscapes" detail shot out of the virtual helicopter window while flying over HiRISE's endless
gigapixel landscapes :-)


Large image (1.2 MB)

(For a better sense of scale, I added an artificial airplane shadow as "50 m scale" in the lower right corner...)

Original context image:
PSP_002379_1755
tedstryk
QUOTE (ugordan @ Jan 11 2008, 03:42 PM) *
How do you calibrate with Photoshop?


It can be done. I often use Photoshop to subtract flat fields and dark frames when I have a problematic image (such as working with old Mariner images). It is a pain, but if some tweaking is needed, such as when one doesn't have an exact exposure match and is having to approximate, it is the best way to go.

Ted
Stu
Cereberus Fossae is rapidly becoming one of my "fave places" on Mars, and the recent release of hundreds of colour images from MRO included a couple of shots of this fascinating feature that I just couldn't resist playing about with... I think it's the combination of the steepness of the cliffs, the long shadows and the hints of detail on the floor that make it so intriguing... you can easily imagine standing on the edge of this great wound in Mars' crust and peering down into the dark depths below... ohmy.gif

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ngunn
Those are brilliant. Thanks for posting them Stu.
n1ckdrake
Light-Toned Material in Western Louros Valles/Sinai Planum (TRA_000876_1715)

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Stu
Colourised crop from "layering and slope streaks in Henry Crater" (PSP 006589_1915)

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charborob
QUOTE (Stu @ Feb 3 2008, 09:24 AM) *
Cerberus Fossae [clip]... you can easily imagine standing on the edge of this great wound in Mars' crust and peering down into the dark depths below... ohmy.gif


When we'll have stereo coverage of that area, high-res DEMs, etc., maybe one of the image wizards on this forum will be able to create just such a panorama.
Stu
Not strictly speaking a PDS issue, but I don't know where else to put this, so apologies in advance if anyone thinks this is too off topic.

On her always-fantastic blog today, Emily has a link to a rather good Arizona State University website which - cutting a long story short here - has gathered together all the images of Mars taken by various orbiters over the years, and allows you to browse them to your heart's content. I thought I'd have a look and, on my first random click, found this beauty from HiRISE...

Wow... I now have a new "favourite martian crater"!

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Thanks Emily!

Stu
Actually, I take that back. CURSE you Emily!! Curse you for telling me about such an addictive, time-devouring site!!! laugh.gif This is a martian equivalent of GALAXY ZOO.

You open the page, select the image database of an orbiter, and are taken to a map, with lots of random red dots or boxes spattered all over it... Boots on, rucksack over the shoulder, time to explore... hmmm... I wonder what THAT box looks like magnified... (click)... oh well, nothing interesting there.... what about THAT one? (click)... nice, but not that great... THAT box? (click) WOW! Look at that! I've never seen that picture before, and I thought I'd seen EVERY picture of Mars!

Even found a new (to me) pic of "my" crater on Mars...

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Go to this site at your peril...!!! tongue.gif
elakdawalla
Muhahaha...my evil plan is working. smile.gif

--Emily
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