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Analyst
QUOTE (Pando @ Jun 14 2007, 05:17 AM) *
Since I couldn't find any info about it on this forum nor any news anywhere else, I'd like to see if anyone knows a bit more what the heck happened there and whether the magnetometer was successfully recharacterized after the recent roll. Also, did this have any long term impact to the health of the spacecraft?


The reason for this is the HYBIC swap test. The test itself has been successful, but it changed the status of the MAG and turned on IRIS (turned off since then). The permanent HYBIC swap is on hold because of this. I have no information about the MAG status. I also do not know if all four MAG instruments are involved or not.

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monitorlizard
This is old news from the January 18, 2007, JURAP meeting, but it expands on the news Pando gave:

HYBIC SWAP TEST RESULTS

REDUNDANT HYBIC TEST & TEMPORARY SWAP

-PURPOSE OF THE TEST
. Validate operability of HYBIC 1 and health of celestial sensors
. Refine sun sensor bias offsets between HYBIC 2 and 1
. Gather information in preparation for a permanent swap and calibration or futher study

--The HYBIC test was performed on 11/30/2006, DOY 335/02:32:37 UTC (6:32 PM PST). All events executed as planned. HYBIC 1 functioned properly and the pointing offset data were obtained.

--At the time of the swap, the available power dropped to an unexpected level.

--The MAG instrument status indicated that the Out-Board flipper status had changed and that the flipper is now ON. The instrument temperature increased significantly.

--Our investigation revealed that one of the commands issued to reinstate HYBIC 1 also caused the Out-Board Flipper ON command to be issued. This caused an additional 10.2 watt of power consumption. This similar anomaly happened once before in 1998. The cause was thought to be contamination of the 2N222A transistors in the Power System (power command decoder).

--It's believed that the excessive heat caused the wax pellet actuators that move the flipper back and forth from the "forward" to "reverse" position to melt. Data indicate that the flipper position is "reverse", near O degrees.

--Early indications are that the Out-Board MAG is still functioning. We are awaiting more feedback from the PI's.

--We have formed a team of consultants to investigate the cause of this anomaly.

--The permanent swap has been delayed until this investigation is complete.
dilo
I tried to plot the measured magnetic field components reported on the same link where Pando took the warning (note that I sampled only some interesting time windows):
Click to view attachment
The anomaly associated to HYBIC test is clearly visible at the center, while on the right side the values recorded at the beginning of January appear 2/3 times the levels at beginning of November (left)... I do not know if this can be normal or is an indication of damaged magnetometer, however...
abalone
Fantastic birthday.The Voyagers will outlive them all
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http://www.space-travel.com/reports/Pionee...Flight_999.html
jasedm
QUOTE (Guido @ Aug 11 2007, 08:28 AM) *


I'm very surprised that V2 has more remaining propellant than V1 after double the planetary encounters (see report for 2007-07-06)
brellis
QUOTE (jasedm @ Nov 22 2007, 01:59 AM) *
I'm very surprised that V2 has more remaining propellant than V1 after double the planetary encounters (see report for 2007-07-06)


If I understand correctly, the planetary encounters added velocity, so V2's extra encounters mean it would have needed less propellant.
djellison
"needed less propellant"

For what? V1 hasn't been consuming prop in an attempt to catch up. One could imagine that with 4 required targetting points, V2 would have required more prop for TCM's etc.

However - perhaps V1's trajectory was slightly less optimal than V2's and thus it required more Delta-V for targetting.

Doug
ugordan
Or maybe one of the spacecraft is inherently more "stable" and hence does less RCS thrusting?
brellis
"needed less propellant - for what?"

The extra planetary encounters would also help point the craft to its next destination, thus saving propellant on trajectory changes.
ngunn
V1 had no 'next destination' after Saturn and therefore needed no trajectory changes. It's been in freefall since Saturn.
jasedm
Thinking about it, perhaps the answer is a combination of several factors:

1) Maybe voyager operators were more sparing of the propellant for V2 knowing that Uranus (and beyond) were at least 'on the cards' from the off.
2). Different trajectories and speeds of the two spacecraft
3) V1 I think had to make a huge (many minutes) burn to set up for the Titan close encounter.
ugordan
QUOTE (jasedm @ Nov 22 2007, 02:00 PM) *
1) Maybe voyager operators were more sparing of the propellant for V2 knowing that Uranus (and beyond) were at least 'on the cards' from the off.

You can't spare propellant, saving it for Uranus because if you didn't do the necessary burn now there would not be any Uranus encounter, but a huge miss instead.
Rule of thumb: fewer targetted encounters = less fuel consumed.

I seem to remember it was V2 that performed a big burn to set up a trajectory to the Uranus aimpoint and cleanup all the perturbations after passage through the Saturnian system .
jasedm
QUOTE (ugordan @ Nov 22 2007, 01:07 PM) *
Rule of thumb: fewer targetted encounters = less fuel consumed.


That's just the reason for my surprise in post 56 above:
Voyager 1 - housekeeping attitude control since November 1980 (except for the family portrait shot)
Propellant left: 27.7kg on July 6th 2007
Voyager 2 - observations of an additional two planets/ring systems and at least 10 moons since Saturn encounter
I understand the amount of spacecraft slewing at Uranus was huge due to the number of targets at C/A coupled with the planet's axial tilt
Propellant left: 29.41kg on July 6th 2007 smile.gif
djellison
What I was suggesting is that perhaps V1's trajectory inherantly required significantly more Delta V for..

Post launch TCM
Targetting at Jupiter
Clean up after Jupiter
Targetting for Saturn.

Didn't someone say here a while back that one of the two had an LV underperform a little?

Doug
ugordan
QUOTE (djellison @ Nov 22 2007, 03:03 PM) *
Didn't someone say here a while back that one of the two had an LV underperform a little?

Yep, something like the Titan IV booster undeperformed and the Centaur was barely able to compensate (IIRC with only 3 seconds of burn time left). The difference is most likely due to the TCMs in the end.
Bernard1963
I was wondering if anyone else had noticed / had any info on what appears to be a mystery about the low and varying signal from Voyager 1? For well over a month now the signal from Voyager 1 (as shown on https://eyes.nasa.gov/dsn/dsn.html) has been varying by approx 3db over the course of an hour or so and its at best about 2db lower than it should be, at worst 5db or 6db lower. With DSS63 out for long term maintenance its currently often being tracked on 2 x 34m dishes at Madrid which are unable to obtain data lock for much of the time. Only DSS14 now seems able to hold data lock.

Tweeting one of the Canberra DSN controllers he confirms this is the case, its not a website anomaly. The mystery is that he tells me the Voyager project apparently are not seeing any problem with the spacecraft?
stevesliva
A month ago, Voyager 2 notes this sort of activity:

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@NSFVoyager2 May 14 Changing my data transmission rate back from Engineering Low to Science Cruise (40 to 160 bps) FDS:MRO XB CR-5T (2019:135:002845:2ECa)

@NSFVoyager2 May 14 Starting Command & Control Subsystem timing test, measuring difference btw CCS timing chain & FDS frame start CCSTIM(COARSE) (2019:135:001813:2T)

@NSFVoyager2 May 14 Starting Command & Control Subsystem timing test, measuring difference btw CCS timing chain & FDS frame start CCSTIM(FINE) (2019:135:000013:2T)

@NSFVoyager2 May 14 Flight Data System clock reset! FDS CLOCK RESET BML (2019:134:214300:2EC)

‏ @NSFVoyager2 May 14 Changed my data transmission rate from Science Cruise to Engineering Low (160 to 40 bps) FDS:MRO XB EL-40 (2019:133:205741:2ECa)


... There is no equivalent data source for V1. I note it more as a form of "what's it (maybe) been up to" than an explanation.

I take that back... there might be more to be gleaned here: https://voyager.jpl.nasa.gov/pdf/sfos2019pd..._07_08.sfos.pdf
Bernard1963
Thank you stevesliva. Even though I've only just joined the forum I'm a long time fan of the Voyagers and follow all posts available. The problem was, there was no answer that could be derived online. The condition of Voyager 1 has deteriorated with the signal variations increasing. Personally I was expecting the spacecraft to be lost before too long. I gather today the Voyager team have finally admitted a problem with the Earth pointing of the spacecraft. In a way of confirmation for the first time today I noticed the tracking schedule was not followed as per https://voyager.jpl.nasa.gov/pdf/sfos2019pd..._07_22.sfos.pdf with Voyager 1 taking the slot of Voyager 2 on DSS43 and arrayed with DSS34 & DSS35. I understand the team are investigating a yaw error and hope to make corrections shortly. My only fear now is that Voyager 1 is so far off point it may be difficult to upload commands.
Bernard1963
On the subject of Voyager 2 I notice from https://voyager.jpl.nasa.gov/pdf/sfos2019pd..._07_22.sfos.pdf it looks like Voyager 2 will be swapping attitude control trusters to its TCM thrusters on July 9th, as was done with Voyager 1 in Jan 18.
Xcalibrator
QUOTE (Bernard1963 @ Jun 20 2019, 04:06 AM) *
I was wondering if anyone else had noticed...


Looking back, the V1 particle data started showing noticeable gaps around June 6.
Bernard1963
They've fixed it pretty quickly once they admitted the problem, but it had got very bad. The signal is now stable and the strength is as expected :-) https://eyes.nasa.gov/dsn/dsn.html
stevesliva
Coincidentally posted yesterday:
https://voyager.jpl.nasa.gov/news/details.php?article_id=114

I haven't see anything other than this thread mentioning an anomaly... in any event, amazing what they're still doing with these two.
JRehling
I don't nitpick often (do I?) but while the Voyagers are perhaps the oldest spacecraft still operating, Vanguard 1 (launched March 17, 1958) is the oldest spacecraft still flying, though it's been dead and inert since 1965.
Bernard1963
I've noticed the past couple of days Voyager 1's signal is low again into the DSN, presumably off point again. Tracking times available here https://voyager.jpl.nasa.gov/pdf/sfos2019pd..._09_02.sfos.pdf the levels received here https://eyes.nasa.gov/dsn/dsn.html you should see roughly -155db on a 70m and -157db on a 34m dish.
Bernard1963
I should have noted that around the 7th September there was a sun sensor calibration and ASCAL which does appear to have fixed the pointing issue and the signal into the DSN has been as expected since then. However as this was the 2nd such incident in the past 6 months I wonder if the sun sensor is having trouble keeping a lock on the sun, now at 147AU.
Bernard1963
With info taken from one of the controllers at Canberra on twitter and my observations from https://eyes.nasa.gov/dsn/dsn.html, Voyager 2 was lost for a period of 5-10minutes in the early hours of 26/01/20 while attempting a MAGROL. It looks like an attitude control issue occurred causing the S/C to go off point from the earth. I'm assuming the fault protection kicked in and got the S/C back on point fairly quickly. The S/C was then in engineering mode 40bps rather than the usual 160bps. Even though the Voyager tracking schedule showed no further tracking, later in the day Canberras DSS43 70m dish was tracking and the Canberra website showed a horizon to horizon track was taking place. Its therefore reasonable to assume a spacecraft emergency had been declared with other missions being moved off of DSS43. Checking the most recent track earlier today Voyager 2 remains at 40bps (engineering mode).
stevesliva
My brain is hurting because morning in Canberra is so many hours before here, but it sounds like the most recent tracking was to determine whether the commands sent "later in the day" were received. Round trip time is so slow that this seems fast.
DSN antenna DSS-43 at @CanberraDSN opening a 3-1/2 hour listening window to see if recent emergency XMIT was received
Bernard1963
https://www.jpl.nasa.gov/news/news.php?feature=7587
Roby72
Canberra still tracking VGR2 at 39bits/sec as of February 2nd, 21h30UT as seen in DSN NOW
Now one week gap of science data.
Any thoughts ?
stevesliva
QUOTE (Roby72 @ Feb 2 2020, 04:35 PM) *
Canberra still tracking VGR2 at 39bits/sec as of February 2nd, 21h30UT as seen in DSN NOW
Now one week gap of science data.
Any thoughts ?

Data rate should be back all the way up to 160 now.
stevesliva
There was a post from climber in a another thread about the Canberra DSN 70m 11mo shutdown, but this one continues discussion about the V2 anomaly... so, here is an informative now 5-months-old article from the paywalled NY Times:
https://www.nytimes.com/2020/03/04/science/...ce-network.html

It is spurred by the DSN maintenance, but has some interesting commentary about the anomaly. Nice to see reporters finding who to ring up, and talking to them.
Explorer1
Voyager 2 is doing well! DSN maintenance has progressed to the point that they have commanded (and heard back) from it after the hiatus.
https://www.nasa.gov/feature/jpl/nasa-conta...ce-network-dish
Liss
According to SFOS schedules, first steps in Voyager energy plan has been executed.
LECP MAIN SUPPLEMENTAL HEATER OFF commands were sent and implemented:
* to Voyager 2 -- on 22/23 Feb 2021;
* to Voyager 1 -- on 16 May 2021.

Confirmed at https://voyager-mac.umd.edu/docs/
stevesliva
Tweet from @NSFVoyager2 on Feb22 confirms it, too:
https://twitter.com/NSFVoyager2/status/1364410980927741952

QUOTE
Shutting off the main supplemental heater for the Low Energy Charged Particle instrument to save power. PWR LECP MAIN SUPP HTR OFF


I did get stuck on the tangent about why they're dealing with a "damaged tracking loop capacitor." Apparently they've been dealing with it since 1978. (Primary failed, and backup is a bit wonky.)
stevesliva
Voyager 1 sending odd telemetry, acting normally:
https://www.jpl.nasa.gov/news/engineers-inv...-telemetry-data

Never too late to learn a new language, they say.
stevesliva
https://www.jpl.nasa.gov/news/nasas-voyager...-power-strategy

This original report from April, but I've seen it re-reported a few places including another today.

They have bypassed a voltage regulator on V2, and the need to not have headroom for the regulator means that a planned instrument shutoff in 2023 can be postponed until 2026.
stevesliva
Some sort of commanding error means V2 isn't pointing antenna at earth. Should reset pointing October 15th:
https://www.jpl.nasa.gov/news/nasa-mission-...nications-pause
climber
It looks like DSN has picked up a carrier signal smile.gif
climber
Voyager II, the best of the best is back on line : https://www.jpl.nasa.gov/news/nasa-mission-...nications-pause
Bernard1963
Thought I should draw attention to the latest SFOS 12th October https://voyager.jpl.nasa.gov/pdf/sfos2023pd..._10_30.sfos.pdf Note this is the second time the deadband has been widened in about a month. IE the free drift between thruster firings. It was originally 0.1deg, widened to 0.3deg a few weeks ago, now 0.5deg. The only reason I can see for this is to reduce the thruster firings. So either they've found theres less fuel than expected or the final thrusters (the TCM's) are failing. I hope theres another reason but I cant think of it :-(
stevesliva
Optimistically they are exploring strategies to lessen fuel usage with Voyager 2 (presumably s/c 32 vs. 31), the nearer/slower, before also sending to V1. Same as they are trialing the voltage regulator turnoff first on V2.

Googling says that hydrazine was estimated to runout in ~10 years from now for V2, and the vreg* article (me, above) talks to that date now overlapping the years that science instruments will be active. So it may well just be trying to ensure proactively that hydrazine is not the limit that Pu238 will be.

*vreg --> voltage reguator. Not a scrambling of vger.
Explorer1
Press release regarding various strategies of the team to deal with recent issues:
https://www.jpl.nasa.gov/news/nasas-voyager...patch-thrusters
QUOTE
Propellant flows to the thrusters via fuel lines and then passes through smaller lines inside the thrusters called propellant inlet tubes that are 25 times narrower than the external fuel lines. Each thruster firing adds tiny amounts of propellant residue, leading to gradual buildup of material over decades. In some of the propellant inlet tubes, the buildup is becoming significant. To slow that buildup, the mission has begun letting the two spacecraft rotate slightly farther in each direction before firing the thrusters. This will reduce the frequency of thruster firings.

The adjustments to the thruster rotation range were made by commands sent in September and October, and they allow the spacecraft to move almost 1 degree farther in each direction than in the past. The mission is also performing fewer, longer firings, which will further reduce the total number of firings done on each spacecraft.
climber
https://blogs.nasa.gov/sunspot/
Voyager 1 issue
Bernard1963

I would just add. Info from Canberra DSN is that no data is being recovered. Including the engineering channel but they have proved V1 is still responding to commands.
stevesliva
A close parsing of the nasa update says that, too. "No science or engineering data is being sent back."

It is then colored by a lot of what they've deduced. And yes, after reading it yesterday, I did have to remind myself... but they're getting nothing.

It does say they're scrutinizing old documents, and there sure is not a lot out there that I've just discovered in a quick search. The FDS is one unit, no A/B units, though it's redudant internally, I think. It also might be one of the first uses of volatile (presumably SRAM) memory. And that means, this could be an SEU. Whether there have been prior SEU that have done this to either V1 or V2 FDS, I can't discover.
stevesliva
Speaking of SEU. Found in IEEE Spectrum June 1987...

QUOTE
A faraway bit fix
Just six days before Voyager 2's closest approach to Uranus, in 1985, compressed photographic images transmitted from the spacecraft's cameras began to include large blocks of black-and-white lines.
Engineers at the Jet Propulsion Laboratory, Pasadena, Calif., ran an old data stream received from the craft through the programs used to decompress the images back on earth. The engineers concluded that the problem lay not in the ground computers, but in the craft's flight-data subsystem (FDS), which controls on-board instruments and formats data for transmission back to earth. To test the theory, they directed the FDS to transmit the contents of its 8-kilobyte CMOS memories. By comparing that copy of the image-compression program with the original on earth, engineers Dick Rice and Ed Blizzard determined that a single bit of one 16-bit instruction word had changed from a 0 to a 1. Rice and Blizzard prepared a patch that would circumvent the faulty location in the memory. The patch overwrote the instruction before the failed memory cell with a jump command to unused memory. It then executed a copy of the overwritten instruction and the instruction from the defective location, and jumped back to the address following the failed cell.
The patch was transmitted to Voyager, along with a command to reset the incorrect bit. The patch corrected the failure, and in the least possible time, since transmitting a message to Voyager and receiving a response took 41 hours. The reset command failed, and Rice and Blizzard therefore concluded that the bit failure was permanent. With the patch installed, the program sent error-free images. But engineers acknowledged that the actual cause of the failure would likely never be known. The craft will not return to earth "within our lifetime," said a Voyager team member.


So, precedented. Of 32kbit on both, there's been at least one bit failure.
stevesliva
No news that I've heard this year. Anyone else?
Bernard1963
From Twitter...... A Voyager update: Engineers are still working to resolve a data issue on Voyager 1. We can talk to the spacecraft, and it can hear us, but it's a slow process given the spacecraft's incredible distance from Earth.

We’ll keep you informed on its status.
stevesliva
Ars Technica did the good ol' fashioned thing and... called the project manager:
https://arstechnica.com/space/2024/02/human...omputer-glitch/

Interesting that it's mentioned there are two FDS on V1 and the other "failed in 1981" -- so whatever got me thinking there wasn't originally a spare was wrong.
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