Holder of the Two Leashes
Feb 1 2017, 02:37 PM
This thread will cover all final phases of the Dawn mission, the end of which is not certain at this point.
XMO3 was suppose to be the final orbit, but now plans have changed and it will move into a new higher altitude and higher phase orbit soon. This will be XMO4.
An interesting monthly journal for January details the plan:
Dawn Journal 31 January 2017
TheAnt
Feb 4 2017, 06:09 PM
Ahuna mons have turned out to be what is called one "ice volcano"
(Used in lack of a better word in american English I guess, my native language got a word for underground water that instantly freeze as it enter the surface in the wínter which would have been very suitable here.)
Now why only a single such feature?
The
American Geophysical Union put some thought on that matter and suspect there's other ones that have flattened out and started a search for potential other sites.
ngunn
Feb 4 2017, 07:10 PM
QUOTE (TheAnt @ Feb 4 2017, 06:09 PM)
Now why only a single such feature?
Another possible answer might be that the whole of Ceres is acting like a single pressure vessel with relatively fluid contents. This would require only a single relief valve (at any given time).
Gladstoner
Feb 4 2017, 08:16 PM
QUOTE (TheAnt @ Feb 4 2017, 12:09 PM)
Now why only a single such feature?
The
American Geophysical Union put some thought on that matter and suspect there's other ones that have flattened out and started a search for potential other sites.
Perhaps the raised area adjacent to Ahuna is such a feature:
Click to view attachmentThe elevation of this area seems to be anomalous compared to the surrounding topography. It does not appear to be associated with any crater/ basin rims or central peaks. Its association with Ahuna seems to imply a relationship of some kind. The surface of this feature is heavily cratered, which means it has been around much longer than Ahuna. Either this feature is an area of general uplift associated with the formation of Ahuna, or it is an older volcanic edifice of the upwelling that produced Ahuna (i.e. 'ancestral Ahuna') that has subsequently suffered subsidence and erosion. Or perhaps both processes were in play. Finally, it is possible it presence there could be purely coincidental.
TheAnt
Feb 6 2017, 12:39 AM
@Gladstoner: You might indeed have pointed out Ahuna mons predecessor there.
But yes, it cannot be ruled out that it's associated with the current formation. We just have to wait for the verdict by the professionals.
Regardless of which two it turn out to be, I don't think it's coincidental.
What is interesting is the comparatively short timeframe for a feature like this to relax and get near invisible.
If it is lets say 10 MY, that would mean that there's some ongoing activity inside Ceres to create a feature like Ahuna mons.
The big question then will be if it's continuous or periodical.
Well this higher altitude orbit might perhaps get us a chance to catch an image of the possible fog over Occator. Backlit by the Sun would be the best way to catch it just as on Enceladus.
Gladstoner
Feb 6 2017, 06:12 AM
QUOTE (TheAnt @ Feb 5 2017, 06:39 PM)
What is interesting is the comparatively short timeframe for a feature like this to relax and get near invisible.
If it is lets say 10 MY, that would mean that there's some ongoing activity inside Ceres to create a feature like Ahuna mons.
The big question then will be if it's continuous or periodical.
Based on the features' appearances and on the (apparent) lack of extensive activity on Ceres, I'd think any volcanic processes would be episodic.
Daniele_bianchino_Italy
Feb 8 2017, 09:46 AM
" Asteroid Dust Cloaks True Composition Of Dwarf Planet Ceres "
" Observations of Ceres indicate that asteroids might be camouflaged "
http://www.seti.org/seti-institute/press-r...-be-camouflaged" Dwarf planet Ceres camouflage by asteroid dust ":
http://www.space.com/35451-dwarf-planet-ce...eroid-dust.html
Daniele_bianchino_Italy
Feb 8 2017, 09:53 AM
?
Is expected to map temperatures of Ceres? I expected Already for long time :-/
Paolo
Feb 17 2017, 06:03 AM
on today's Science (and behind the paywall...
)
Localized aliphatic organic material on the surface of CeresQUOTE
Organic compounds occur in some chondritic meteorites, and their signatures on solar system bodies have been sought for decades. Spectral signatures of organics have not been unambiguously identified on the surfaces of asteroids, whereas they have been detected on cometary nuclei. Data returned by the Visible and InfraRed Mapping Spectrometer on board the Dawn spacecraft show a clear detection of an organic absorption feature at 3.4 micrometers on dwarf planet Ceres. This signature is characteristic of aliphatic organic matter and is mainly localized on a broad region of ~1000 square kilometers close to the ~50-kilometer Ernutet crater. The combined presence on Ceres of ammonia-bearing hydrated minerals, water ice, carbonates, salts, and organic material indicates a very complex chemical environment, suggesting favorable environments to prebiotic chemistry.
see also the Science perspective article:
Dwarf planet Ceres and the ingredients of lifeand the JPL press release:
Dawn Discovers Evidence for Organic Material on Ceres
TheAnt
Feb 18 2017, 04:46 PM
This is the kind of news that could have me literally jumping up and down.
Water, ammonia, salts, cabonates and now this!
It might be quite premature to speculate if any space agency will jump at this opportunity.
But it's a fact that Ceres would provide an easy target for a lander mission.
With the very low gravity it would even be possible to have a 'jumping' lander visiting several sites for sampling.
Even the idea of returning samples might be considered.
Aliphatic organic matter - it's not any of the lighter ones, they would be long gone, from a single spectral line it's hard to say how complex those molecules are.
But I'd give an arm and a leg to have closer look at a sample here on Earth.
Explorer1
Feb 19 2017, 05:30 AM
There's probably already samples of Ceres on Earth, just not yet identified as such. All those craters must have made sprayed ejecta everywhere and some meteorites must be here now, just by probability.
Otherwise a sample return mission might in fact be easier than Mars; lack of atmosphere and low gravity making up for the greater difference in orbits...
fredk
Feb 19 2017, 03:50 PM
QUOTE (Explorer1 @ Feb 19 2017, 06:30 AM)
lack of atmosphere
Doesn't atmosphere help you at Mars? You'd need a heck of a lot of fuel to brake from orbit and land without atmospheric drag. The drag would affect a launch from the surface, but with low launch speeds and thin atmosphere I'm guessing that's not a big effect.
Of course lower gravity at Ceres means lack of atmosphere won't be as important as it would've been at Mars.
Explorer1
Feb 19 2017, 06:48 PM
Yes, I was talking about launching from the surface. I vaguely recall reading an article a few years ago about someone working on an engine for an ascent stage to get straight to Earth, no need for rendezvous; can't find it now. Anyway, this is a discussion for another thread, another time.
Daniele_bianchino_Italy
Feb 22 2017, 10:15 AM
QUOTE (Daniele_bianchino_Italy @ Feb 8 2017, 09:53 AM)
?
Is expected to map temperatures of Ceres? I expected Already for long time :-/
Repropose my UP question... ?
I know that Ceres has no seasons like earth. However, we can say that it is entering its warm period. Dawn was arrived to Ceres in the beginning of the cold season. Too bad the mission will end before the maximun warm season of Ceres.
PhilipTerryGraham
Feb 25 2017, 11:02 AM
They're starting to publish XMO3 images on the NASA Photojournal! The first is
this interesting context view of Ahuna Mons and Occator crater, taken on 11 February.
EDIT:
Here's a version I uploaded to Wikimedia Commons, with annotations labelling all the discernible features in the image, per the
official nomenclature by the IAU.
Habukaz
Feb 26 2017, 01:25 PM
QUOTE (Daniele_bianchino_Italy @ Feb 8 2017, 10:53 AM)
?
Is expected to map temperatures of Ceres? I expected Already for long time :-/
Some pictures showing temperature have been generated.
Here's a few that I am not sure if have been posted to the Photojournal, where you can find the others. Don't know about global or other larger maps, or time series of temperature.
Daniele_bianchino_Italy
Mar 6 2017, 06:24 PM
QUOTE (Habukaz @ Feb 26 2017, 01:25 PM)
Some pictures showing temperature have been generated.
Here's a few that I am not sure if have been posted to the Photojournal, where you can find the others. Don't know about global or other larger maps, or time series of temperature.
Thanks!
235 K -38°C
196 K -76°C
However, the VIR images are of the last year.
Ceres from this year begins to warm. The mission will not arrive to the maximum hot season of Ceres, but it could show more high temperatures in the next months....
nprev
Mar 10 2017, 04:14 PM
ADMIN MODE: Moved four recent posts to the former "Water Vapor on Ceres" thread, which has been retitled "Ceres Geology". I think that discussion will continue long after the Dawn mission is completed. Thanks!
Gladstoner
Apr 9 2017, 08:08 PM
Long-range image taken on March 28:
https://photojournal.jpl.nasa.gov/catalog/PIA21401Click to view attachmentThe brightness of the Occator faculae is pretty subdued at this lighting and viewing angle.
Holder of the Two Leashes
Apr 27 2017, 01:16 PM
Dawn has lost another (third) reaction wheel. But it looks like the opposition studies scheduled for Saturday the 29th will not be affected.
Dawn Status Report
Explorer1
May 2 2017, 04:15 AM
hendric
May 3 2017, 04:20 PM
Man, if I ever win the lottery I'm going to work on making longer-lasting reaction wheels for space missions.
djellison
May 4 2017, 04:37 AM
There are many old spacecraft with great reaction wheels still working fine. But there must have been some batch - some particular hardware version rev that has hit Kepler and Dawn.
Explorer1
May 18 2017, 10:08 PM
Movie from opposition observations released:
https://www.jpl.nasa.gov/news/news.php?feature=6845New journal soon, presumably.
Holder of the Two Leashes
Jun 18 2017, 09:31 PM
Dawn's fate to be decided soon. Sending it off to a new asteroid is one option back on the table.
SpaceFlight Now article
hendric
Jun 19 2017, 05:36 PM
QUOTE (djellison @ May 3 2017, 10:37 PM)
There are many old spacecraft with great reaction wheels still working fine. But there must have been some batch - some particular hardware version rev that has hit Kepler and Dawn.
Yep, here's a comment from this article (
https://spaceflightnow.com/2017/06/17/dawn-...ecrafts-future/ )
Benjamin Hunt
Mass and size are always an issue on spacecraft, especially deep space probes. Remember, however, that Dawn is an exception in terms of reliability...while reaction wheels have failed on other missions, they all (I believe) failed *after* completing their primary missions, and usually their extended missions.
That said, the reaction wheels that have failed on Dawn and several other spacecraft that have made the news have been noted as coming from a bad batch made by Ithaco Space Systems. The decreased lifespans weren't understood until it was far too late to do anything about it, except for the Kepler mission; those wheels were sent back to Ithaco for preventative maintenance shortly before launch, but even that didn't fix the problem. Still, Kepler made it 4 years before failure compared to its planned 3.5 year mission, and it is still returning very useful science, even if at a reduced capacity.
jasedm
Jun 19 2017, 08:29 PM
It would be fantastic news if the budget allowed for another asteroid flyby - I'd be pretty surprised though if the idea was approved.
Just a fun thought, would it be
possible for Dawn to make it back to Earth? The idea of it matching orbits with the ISS and being examined up close after ten years of spaceflight is strangely thrilling (well to me at least
)
nprev
Jun 19 2017, 11:09 PM
It'd be possible to make it back to the Earth's vicinity, but probably only as a flyby. I don't see any practical way to get it into near-Earth orbit, even if the attitude control suite was fully operational.
No value added there. An asteroid flyby would be a much, much better option.
algorimancer
Jun 20 2017, 05:25 PM
What about a Europa flyby, with some asteroid flybys en-route? Not sure about the gravity gradient, but it might be more efficient to head inward and get an orbital assist from Mars, or it might not. Given the current state of knowledge about Europa, we could probably learn a lot from a targeted flyby -- and probably 10 or more years before we have an orbiter in place.
djellison
Jun 20 2017, 05:45 PM
Europa? No way it'll survive that far from the Sun and that sort of radiation dose. It really is Adiona, or Ceres. That's honestly all the options.
tedstryk
Jun 21 2017, 01:28 AM
Another asteroid flyby would be cool, but I'd like to stay at Ceres to monitor it though perihelion to see if any changes/outgassing can be detected.
nprev
Jun 21 2017, 04:22 AM
Perihelion is next April, and it does seem as if most
water vapor detections by remote sensors have happened around then.
I concur with Ted.
hendric
Jun 21 2017, 06:40 AM
I agree, stay at Ceres, but in a long term parking orbit that would allow for long term observations, with possible dips to a close orbit for flybys of anything interesting. I doubt we'll see significant changes, but maybe we'll get lucky. Occator crater is such an enigma, with the youth of the central mound. It is fascinating that two icy bodies (Ceres and Enceladus) that span an order of magnitude of sizes have localized activity.
algorimancer
Jun 22 2017, 01:35 PM
QUOTE (djellison @ Jun 20 2017, 12:45 PM)
Europa? No way it'll survive that far from the Sun and that sort of radiation dose...
True, only 28% as much solar energy at Jupiter (if I did the math right). Not sure if this is more a problem for propulsion or simply keeping the electronics running. And I have no expertise in judging the radiation problem, though (having been a software developer once upon a time), I do wonder whether radiation tolerant software could be developed -- perhaps using the RAM in a multiply redundant fashion -- but that's a broader problem.
Anyway, my vote would be to go elsewhere if possible, with the argument being that flyby observations of another -- never explored -- asteroid would be more valuable than spending a bit more time at Ceres.
bobik
Jun 23 2017, 06:29 AM
QUOTE (nprev @ Jun 21 2017, 04:22 AM)
Perihelion is next April, and it does seem as if most
water vapor detections by remote sensors have happened around then.
"
Ceres' Temporary Atmosphere Linked to Solar Activity ... Villarreal and colleagues showed that past detections of the transient atmosphere coincided with higher concentrations of energetic protons from the sun. Non-detections coincided with lower concentrations of these particles. What's more, the best detections of Ceres' atmosphere did not occur at its closest approach to the sun. This suggests that solar activity, rather than Ceres' proximity to the sun, is a more important factor in generating an exosphere."
Daniele_bianchino_Italy
Jun 24 2017, 01:36 PM
I would like to stay up Ceres to the perihelion. However, it depends on which asteroid destination Dawn team proposing.
Holder of the Two Leashes
Nov 1 2017, 10:54 PM
It is confirmed that Dawn will stay at Ceres. From now until the end of mission they will try to get into a closer orbit than ever before (at periapsis in a highly elliptical orbit), photograph the southern hemisphere with favorable lighting and observe Ceres at it closest point to the sun. The last part is in April with the greater possibility of Ceres outgassing an atmosphere.
October 19 Press ReleaseOctober 31st Dawn Journal
Explorer1
Jan 11 2018, 09:03 PM
Many details in the latest Dawn Journal:
https://www.jpl.nasa.gov/blog/2017/12/dear-...awnce-travelersDescent to lower orbit should start in April, though targeting of specific areas for higher resolution imagery is not guaranteed.
Daniele_bianchino_Italy
May 9 2018, 08:10 PM
Where is Dawn? Notices on extended mission?
Explorer1
May 9 2018, 10:46 PM
I'm assuming no news is good news, they are still spiraling down to the final orbit. Should be in an intermediate orbit May 14th, according to the last journal, and then May 31st to finish off.
Journal update:
http://www.planetary.org/blogs/guest-blogs...elliptical.htmlCeres reached perihelion, all is well with Dawn....
Therion
Jun 15 2018, 06:36 AM
Sharpened and enlarged views of Occator crater's eastern rim, boulders and landslides from altitude 44-48 km:
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PIA22524Click to view attachmentfrom
PIA22525Click to view attachmentfrom
PIA22526
Explorer1
Jun 15 2018, 01:07 PM
Really neat limb view here:
https://photojournal.jpl.nasa.gov/catalog/PIA22522New journal entry posted; looks like EOM is estimated for September, October at the latest:
http://www.planetary.org/blogs/guest-blogs...lling-down.htmlRunning out of hydrazine for manouevres is not exactly a dramatic end, but what a journey it will have been!
Daniele_bianchino_Italy
Jun 18 2018, 08:45 AM
QUOTE (Therion @ Jun 15 2018, 07:36 AM)
Sharpened and enlarged views of Occator crater's eastern rim, boulders and landslides from altitude 44-48 km:
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PIA22524Click to view attachmentfrom
PIA22525Click to view attachmentfrom
PIA22526do you think of new, close-up images of Mount Ahuna??
Daniele_bianchino_Italy
Jun 18 2018, 08:47 AM
QUOTE (Therion @ Jun 15 2018, 07:36 AM)
Sharpened and enlarged views of Occator crater's eastern rim, boulders and landslides from altitude 44-48 km:
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PIA22524Click to view attachmentfrom
PIA22525Click to view attachmentfrom
PIA22526This is new images of Ceres?I do not find them update dawn nasa, or in another webasite, why?
charborob
Jun 18 2018, 10:58 AM
You can find those images
here.
mcmcmc
Jun 19 2018, 12:02 PM
QUOTE (Daniele_bianchino_Italy @ Jun 18 2018, 08:47 AM)
This is new images of Ceres?I do not find them update dawn nasa, or in another webasite, why?
For unkown reasons they do not update twitter feed anymore since Dawn started descent to XAMO7 orbit on may 31th.
Daniele_bianchino_Italy
Jun 19 2018, 05:30 PM
QUOTE (charborob @ Jun 18 2018, 10:58 AM)
You can find those images
here.
QUOTE (mcmcmc @ Jun 19 2018, 12:02 PM)
For unkown reasons they do not update twitter feed anymore since Dawn started descent to XAMO7 orbit on may 31th.
Thanks :-)
I wanted to show My model of Ahuna Mons, with my hands (12x17 cm - 1cm about 1260 km) NO 3Dprinter (in the link there is also my occator crater):
I do not know if I can to insert here or remove moderator
http://antidotumtarantulae.altervista.org/...ula_planet.html
Gladstoner
Jul 2 2018, 03:39 PM
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Jul 2 2018, 03:46 PM
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